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I wish that congress would stop delegating authority to the executive.

by NeonVice 8y ago

craftyguy 8y ago
I wish countries would sanction Trump's companies.
- ceejayoz 8y ago
  Canada appears to be considering it. http://thehill.com/policy/international/392281-canadian-foreign-minister-wont-rule-out-sanctions-targeting-trump http://thehill.com/policy/international/392281-canadian-fore...
  - gremlinsinc 8y ago
    That would be awesome. I'd love for other countries to not blame ALL of us, for the actions of 1 individual...and would be nice to see him throw a huge hissy fit about it on twitter.
    - tyfon 8y ago
      The 1 individual was democratically elected though so I guess it's just not 1 individual. Now, I wouldn't mind if the rest of the world gave him the stick, but like it or not he does represents and is the figurehead of US so it is your responsibility to deal with his actions.
      - craftyguy 8y ago
        He was directly elected by 304 individuals. You're confusing a democracy with a republic.
      - gremlinsinc 8y ago
        Democratically is a stretch, republic-ly is more accurate. True democracy, everyone could simply vote by a handheld device, without registering to vote, all citizens regardless of criminal background would be allowed, and they'd be given an entire month to do so. Then the popular vote would say who's elected or not. No gerrymandering, technically in a true democracy we wouldn't have a president, though. We'd vote on issues that people bring up and we'd be the policy makers, and electorate at the same time. Personally I like the liquid-democracy prototypes where we can 'delegate' our votes to others on matters when we don't have an opinion or we trust someone else's opinion, but can take that back at any moment if they fuck up. Though, one way to more 'democratize' current elections by simply changing one thing would be having run-off voting. That alone could make elections way more fair, and especially more fair for 3rd parties. We're far from living in a democratic nation though. It's a Republic (at best), but the elitist control, it's really an Oligarchy disguised as a Republic, pretending to be a Democracy.
        User23 8y ago
        True democracy would select representatives through a lottery draft.
        gremlinsinc 8y ago
        Haha, would it be any worse than the congress we have now? I mean a round-robin lottery would probably have a better approval than the dismal 15% congress has now.
        baq 8y ago
        Likely better.
        s73v3r_ 8y ago
        Remember, that's the approval rating of Congress as a whole, including members who are of the opposite party. Individual Congresspersons enjoy a much higher and more reasonable approval rating, especially among their constituents.
        gremlinsinc 8y ago
        Well, yeah. Bernie Sanders has a very high rating but even at 70 percent his high rating hardly budges the rest of Congress. The problem is they just don't work together. I wouldn't be heart broken if we decided to just break into smaller City states that came up with laws on their own so there were more options. Progressive states could have legalized weed and universal health. Red States could have no public safety net at all and really strong military and no regulations on corporations. Logistically, I think the USA is just a mismanaged nightmare, the government is dysfunctional because it's too big and it could use a modernized Constitution a lot has changed since 1700s
        s73v3r_ 8y ago
        "Bernie Sanders has a very high rating but even at 70 percent his high rating hardly budges the rest of Congress." They don't average the approval rating of each individual Congressperson. They literally ask, "Do you approve of the job Congress is doing as a whole, yes or no?" (at least that's what they did when I was asked to take one of those opinion polls). "I wouldn't be heart broken if we decided to just break into smaller City states that came up with laws on their own so there were more options. " I mean, we kinda have that with States. The issue is, there are many things that transcend geographical borders. While moving between states isn't as onerous as moving countries, it isn't the easiest thing in the world to do, especially if you don't have a job lined up or money.
      - s73v3r_ 8y ago
        I completely and utterly reject that responsibility.
  - sdhgaiojfsa 8y ago
    FWIW this is exactly why Presidents are supposed to divest themselves of business interests. It is a very bad thing that foreign powers have the ability to apply leverage specifically to his private interests. He's suppose to act in the interests of Americans, but if he were to exempt Canada after they threaten to sanction the Trump organization, that would be the very definition of a conflict of interest.
    - craftyguy 8y ago
      Exactly. And this would be an excellent test just to see how much he has actually 'divested'.
- rsynnott 8y ago
  Difficult to do legally; just because the US may be breaking WTO rules isn't license for everyone else to do it.
  - stevenwoo 8y ago
    The USA already did sanctions on individuals with the Magnitsky targeted sanctions of individual Russians that were deemed responsible for the accountant's death in prison.
  - craftyguy 8y ago
    The WTO allows for countries that are being wronged by another country (which is breaking trade rules) to enact retribution. That is 100% legal.
    - rsynnott 8y ago
      My impression was that this would require the WTO to adjudicate that the other country is breaking the rules (which hasn't happened, yet), though I may be wrong.
wcarron 8y ago
At this point, my wish is for the supreme courts of the EU and individual countries within to all indict Trump for his various crimes, refuse him entry, and to embargo any and all of his products/services/businesses as well as those of his family members. But, the way things are going, neither of our wishes are coming true any time soon.
s73v3r_ 8y ago
There are arguments for both branches having some ability to levy tariffs.

I wish that congress would stop delegating authority to the executive.

craftyguy 8y ago

I wish countries would sanction Trump's companies.

ceejayoz 8y ago
Canada appears to be considering it. http://thehill.com/policy/international/392281-canadian-foreign-minister-wont-rule-out-sanctions-targeting-trump http://thehill.com/policy/international/392281-canadian-fore...
- gremlinsinc 8y ago
  That would be awesome. I'd love for other countries to not blame ALL of us, for the actions of 1 individual...and would be nice to see him throw a huge hissy fit about it on twitter.
  - tyfon 8y ago
    The 1 individual was democratically elected though so I guess it's just not 1 individual. Now, I wouldn't mind if the rest of the world gave him the stick, but like it or not he does represents and is the figurehead of US so it is your responsibility to deal with his actions.
    - craftyguy 8y ago
      He was directly elected by 304 individuals. You're confusing a democracy with a republic.
    - gremlinsinc 8y ago
      Democratically is a stretch, republic-ly is more accurate. True democracy, everyone could simply vote by a handheld device, without registering to vote, all citizens regardless of criminal background would be allowed, and they'd be given an entire month to do so. Then the popular vote would say who's elected or not. No gerrymandering, technically in a true democracy we wouldn't have a president, though. We'd vote on issues that people bring up and we'd be the policy makers, and electorate at the same time. Personally I like the liquid-democracy prototypes where we can 'delegate' our votes to others on matters when we don't have an opinion or we trust someone else's opinion, but can take that back at any moment if they fuck up. Though, one way to more 'democratize' current elections by simply changing one thing would be having run-off voting. That alone could make elections way more fair, and especially more fair for 3rd parties. We're far from living in a democratic nation though. It's a Republic (at best), but the elitist control, it's really an Oligarchy disguised as a Republic, pretending to be a Democracy.
      - User23 8y ago
        True democracy would select representatives through a lottery draft.
        gremlinsinc 8y ago
        Haha, would it be any worse than the congress we have now? I mean a round-robin lottery would probably have a better approval than the dismal 15% congress has now.
        baq 8y ago
        Likely better.
        s73v3r_ 8y ago
        Remember, that's the approval rating of Congress as a whole, including members who are of the opposite party. Individual Congresspersons enjoy a much higher and more reasonable approval rating, especially among their constituents.
        gremlinsinc 8y ago
        Well, yeah. Bernie Sanders has a very high rating but even at 70 percent his high rating hardly budges the rest of Congress. The problem is they just don't work together. I wouldn't be heart broken if we decided to just break into smaller City states that came up with laws on their own so there were more options. Progressive states could have legalized weed and universal health. Red States could have no public safety net at all and really strong military and no regulations on corporations. Logistically, I think the USA is just a mismanaged nightmare, the government is dysfunctional because it's too big and it could use a modernized Constitution a lot has changed since 1700s
        s73v3r_ 8y ago
        "Bernie Sanders has a very high rating but even at 70 percent his high rating hardly budges the rest of Congress." They don't average the approval rating of each individual Congressperson. They literally ask, "Do you approve of the job Congress is doing as a whole, yes or no?" (at least that's what they did when I was asked to take one of those opinion polls). "I wouldn't be heart broken if we decided to just break into smaller City states that came up with laws on their own so there were more options. " I mean, we kinda have that with States. The issue is, there are many things that transcend geographical borders. While moving between states isn't as onerous as moving countries, it isn't the easiest thing in the world to do, especially if you don't have a job lined up or money.
    - s73v3r_ 8y ago
      I completely and utterly reject that responsibility.
- sdhgaiojfsa 8y ago
  FWIW this is exactly why Presidents are supposed to divest themselves of business interests. It is a very bad thing that foreign powers have the ability to apply leverage specifically to his private interests. He's suppose to act in the interests of Americans, but if he were to exempt Canada after they threaten to sanction the Trump organization, that would be the very definition of a conflict of interest.
  - craftyguy 8y ago
    Exactly. And this would be an excellent test just to see how much he has actually 'divested'.
rsynnott 8y ago
Difficult to do legally; just because the US may be breaking WTO rules isn't license for everyone else to do it.
- stevenwoo 8y ago
  The USA already did sanctions on individuals with the Magnitsky targeted sanctions of individual Russians that were deemed responsible for the accountant's death in prison.
- craftyguy 8y ago
  The WTO allows for countries that are being wronged by another country (which is breaking trade rules) to enact retribution. That is 100% legal.
  - rsynnott 8y ago
    My impression was that this would require the WTO to adjudicate that the other country is breaking the rules (which hasn't happened, yet), though I may be wrong.

wcarron 8y ago

At this point, my wish is for the supreme courts of the EU and individual countries within to all indict Trump for his various crimes, refuse him entry, and to embargo any and all of his products/services/businesses as well as those of his family members. But, the way things are going, neither of our wishes are coming true any time soon.

s73v3r_ 8y ago

There are arguments for both branches having some ability to levy tariffs.