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Life is short, so work on things that matter. People you love can be gone tomorrow. You too - so prepare for that. You don't make friends at job, you will be

Life is short, so work on things that matter. People you love can be gone tomorrow. You too - so prepare for that. You don't make friends at job, you will be fired as soon as they notice you have some family problems influencing your work. There will be no talking, no asking anything... and then your "friends" will silently agree with everything the manager does. Read more - it really helps with anything you will do. Write more - get a pen and a notebook, not a computer. People will disagree with the brightest and most true thing you will write - just don't care as soon as what you wrote is true.

hajhatten 8y ago
Sounds like a really rough year. Hope the coming 12 months will go easier on you.
- pleasecalllater 8y ago
  Thanks.
oldcynic 8y ago
> You don't make friends at job The more general variation on this theme is : "Most of your friends aren't". They're drinking buddies, folks to talk to at $event and $hobby_club If shit meets fan most of them will disappear. There will be a few who turn out to be real friends. A few in each group will surprise you greatly.
- toomanybeersies 8y ago
  I've learned the hard way that there are true friends and there are fair weather friends. The worst part is that if they were in a shitty situation I would've been willing to help them out (and often did), but when the tables were turned they were nowhere to be found.
- pleasecalllater 8y ago
  > "Most of your friends aren't". Yea, I think that's what I wanted to write. And drinking is the best way to get a promotion, knowledge and skills don't matter if you drink with the boss.
- mseebach 8y ago
  It's easy to be cynical, but it's important to avoid throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Of course you can make friends at work, but no, they're not going to be the kind of friends whose shoulders you can cry on when a relationship goes south, but if you can have a discussion about non-work matters, if you could imagine having them over for a backyard barbecue, "friend" still seems like a reasonable term. Even calling them "fairweather friends" seems derogatory. They're not super close friends, for sure, but nothing wrong with "friend". For sure, this kind of semantic puritanism seems like a great way to convince yourself that you're an unlikeable person with no friends.
  - pavel_lishin 8y ago
    Not every friend has to be a best friend. If's fine to have acquaintances and drinking buddies.
  - oldcynic 8y ago
    I think you;re missing the point. Not being cynical or semantically pure. Least ways I don't think so. Nothing wrong with drinking buddies or casual friends at the local cycling club or wherever your hobby interests lie. But they won't be true friends in the sense of people you could call on for advice or assistance if life has just presented you with "a challenge". What has surprised me over the years is how poorly I can predict closeness - both with myself and others. People you'd think were your closest friends can, and do, disappear when you have sudden need. Fairweather friend probably is derogatory but I guess they only get called that after some shitty event? Here, we probably are into semantics. :) Conversely I've been just as surprised by people who didn't seem that close but went above and beyond to help some situation. > seems like a great way to convince yourself that you're an unlikeable person with no friends I have no idea at all how you arrive here. :)
    - mseebach 8y ago
      I think my point is that you can look at friend-closeness as a spectrum, and there will naturally be more people on the less close end, and very few in the very close end. But to jump from that insight, to a slogan like "most of your friends, aren't" is puritanism. Yes, it's important to be able to gauge the degree of closeness accurately (at least not be very wrong about someone being a close friend), but that's a bit of a different concern, imo. >> seems like a great way to convince yourself that you're an unlikeable person with no friends > I have no idea at all how you arrive here. :) Having many friends is generally considered important for general wellbeing, and is a social success-criterion. If you're telling yourself that all those people who enjoy being around you and that you enjoy being around (even if they might probably not be there for you in a deep crisis) aren't friends, that they're somehow fake, it's easy to get lost. At the very least, it's easy to rationalise not spending time with them. And you'll certainly never have a chance to convert any of them to "real" friends.
robertk 8y ago
Hey man! I hope you know we are there for you, and some of us haven’t been in your shoes but strongly sympathize. Reach out to rkrzyzanowski at gmail if you ever need a chat. Sounds like things were very rough but you’re in a much better spot than last year. If I’m right, happy to hear. :) otherwise please reach out!
- pleasecalllater 8y ago
  thanks
miserablegit 8y ago
Man, you wrote down my exact thoughts. 12 months ago, I was a married man and a well-paid and well-respected (or even celebrated) member of a team, with a clear career plan and good personal finances. Today I'm a soon-to-be-divorced guy who's just been fired and doesn't know how he'll pay the bills in a few months. Before the redundancy I had just taken on a bigger mortgage to buy out my wife. My grandfather died in March and chances are other members of the family will go very soon. Life can turn very quickly. A '90s Italian song went "so many years to find tranquility, stability, a honest survival - but it's all so, so fragile".

hajhatten 8y ago

Sounds like a really rough year. Hope the coming 12 months will go easier on you.

pleasecalllater 8y ago
Thanks.

oldcynic 8y ago

> You don't make friends at job The more general variation on this theme is : "Most of your friends aren't". They're drinking buddies, folks to talk to at $event and $hobby_club If shit meets fan most of them will disappear. There will be a few who turn out to be real friends. A few in each group will surprise you greatly.

toomanybeersies 8y ago
I've learned the hard way that there are true friends and there are fair weather friends. The worst part is that if they were in a shitty situation I would've been willing to help them out (and often did), but when the tables were turned they were nowhere to be found.
pleasecalllater 8y ago
> "Most of your friends aren't". Yea, I think that's what I wanted to write. And drinking is the best way to get a promotion, knowledge and skills don't matter if you drink with the boss.
mseebach 8y ago
It's easy to be cynical, but it's important to avoid throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Of course you can make friends at work, but no, they're not going to be the kind of friends whose shoulders you can cry on when a relationship goes south, but if you can have a discussion about non-work matters, if you could imagine having them over for a backyard barbecue, "friend" still seems like a reasonable term. Even calling them "fairweather friends" seems derogatory. They're not super close friends, for sure, but nothing wrong with "friend". For sure, this kind of semantic puritanism seems like a great way to convince yourself that you're an unlikeable person with no friends.
- pavel_lishin 8y ago
  Not every friend has to be a best friend. If's fine to have acquaintances and drinking buddies.
- oldcynic 8y ago
  I think you;re missing the point. Not being cynical or semantically pure. Least ways I don't think so. Nothing wrong with drinking buddies or casual friends at the local cycling club or wherever your hobby interests lie. But they won't be true friends in the sense of people you could call on for advice or assistance if life has just presented you with "a challenge". What has surprised me over the years is how poorly I can predict closeness - both with myself and others. People you'd think were your closest friends can, and do, disappear when you have sudden need. Fairweather friend probably is derogatory but I guess they only get called that after some shitty event? Here, we probably are into semantics. :) Conversely I've been just as surprised by people who didn't seem that close but went above and beyond to help some situation. > seems like a great way to convince yourself that you're an unlikeable person with no friends I have no idea at all how you arrive here. :)
  - mseebach 8y ago
    I think my point is that you can look at friend-closeness as a spectrum, and there will naturally be more people on the less close end, and very few in the very close end. But to jump from that insight, to a slogan like "most of your friends, aren't" is puritanism. Yes, it's important to be able to gauge the degree of closeness accurately (at least not be very wrong about someone being a close friend), but that's a bit of a different concern, imo. >> seems like a great way to convince yourself that you're an unlikeable person with no friends > I have no idea at all how you arrive here. :) Having many friends is generally considered important for general wellbeing, and is a social success-criterion. If you're telling yourself that all those people who enjoy being around you and that you enjoy being around (even if they might probably not be there for you in a deep crisis) aren't friends, that they're somehow fake, it's easy to get lost. At the very least, it's easy to rationalise not spending time with them. And you'll certainly never have a chance to convert any of them to "real" friends.

robertk 8y ago

Hey man! I hope you know we are there for you, and some of us haven’t been in your shoes but strongly sympathize. Reach out to rkrzyzanowski at gmail if you ever need a chat. Sounds like things were very rough but you’re in a much better spot than last year. If I’m right, happy to hear. :) otherwise please reach out!

pleasecalllater 8y ago
thanks

miserablegit 8y ago

Man, you wrote down my exact thoughts. 12 months ago, I was a married man and a well-paid and well-respected (or even celebrated) member of a team, with a clear career plan and good personal finances. Today I'm a soon-to-be-divorced guy who's just been fired and doesn't know how he'll pay the bills in a few months. Before the redundancy I had just taken on a bigger mortgage to buy out my wife. My grandfather died in March and chances are other members of the family will go very soon. Life can turn very quickly. A '90s Italian song went "so many years to find tranquility, stability, a honest survival - but it's all so, so fragile".