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I don't want to take away from the results from the study. But it would be a great area to study the relationship between men and interaction with women, especi

I don't want to take away from the results from the study. But it would be a great area to study the relationship between men and interaction with women, especially those displaying toxic femininity, in the context of fatherhood. Don't know if anyone coined the term toxic femininity, but it should obviously be a field of study, just as toxic masculinity is.

Angostura 8y ago
What would 'toxic femininity' look like?
- belorn 8y ago
  If toxic masculinity is defined by exaggerated gender role behavior that is a negative for the individual and society, then toxic femininity should be defined in the exact same terms. Female gender role is strongly associated with motherhood and personal appearance so toxic femininity could for example be exaggeration of those aspects. Two examples would be possessiveness of children and the abuse of plastic surgery. The question is why people are using such gendered terms that so easily get perceived as derogatory if all we want is to a term to help discussions around exaggerated gender role behavior that causes negative effects. Personally I avoid using both and see those that do as pushing an agenda rather than addressing the core issue that we have gender roles and those have a negative impact on society.
- ponderatul 8y ago
  You've probably seen it, there are certainly examples. Emotional manipulation of the husband, emotional manipulation of the child about the husband. I mean there are a lot of things someone displaying this type of behaviour, can do to hurt the relationship between the father and the child, even if she is the mother of the child.
to_bpr 8y ago
>Don't know if anyone coined the term toxic femininity, but it should obviously be a field of study Current Western society has placed women so high up on a pedestal that publicly leveling criticism at the gender in any aspect is detrimental to one's career and social standing. You're being flagged and downvoted for merely suggesting that not everything about femininity is positive. Let that sink in.
- bonaldi 8y ago
  No, he's been flagged for suggesting someone study the effects of a thing which he immediately admits he's just made up. It's not even "we should see if there's a counterpart to toxic masulinity", it's "I think there's toxic feminity, so we should study its effects!"
  - ponderatul 8y ago
    You mean the effects of the negative manifestation of certain behaviours. So you are saying that my logical leap, that because there is "toxic masculinity" ( which is a gross simplification obviously) that a counterpart to that in the feminine side, is something I just made up. I usually make statements drawing from observed behaviour and interactions. And I can't deny that if we look on a spectrum of behaviour, and on one side we have masculinity on the other we have femininity. If we go all the way to the left to the masculine side, there are behaviours there that are what the media says "toxic". But if we go on the otherside of the spectrum, to the extreme, and say that yeah, things are just rosy on the other side, we are doing a great disservice to the truth.
ameister14 8y ago
Let's just not use either term.

Angostura 8y ago

What would 'toxic femininity' look like?

belorn 8y ago
If toxic masculinity is defined by exaggerated gender role behavior that is a negative for the individual and society, then toxic femininity should be defined in the exact same terms. Female gender role is strongly associated with motherhood and personal appearance so toxic femininity could for example be exaggeration of those aspects. Two examples would be possessiveness of children and the abuse of plastic surgery. The question is why people are using such gendered terms that so easily get perceived as derogatory if all we want is to a term to help discussions around exaggerated gender role behavior that causes negative effects. Personally I avoid using both and see those that do as pushing an agenda rather than addressing the core issue that we have gender roles and those have a negative impact on society.
ponderatul 8y ago
You've probably seen it, there are certainly examples. Emotional manipulation of the husband, emotional manipulation of the child about the husband. I mean there are a lot of things someone displaying this type of behaviour, can do to hurt the relationship between the father and the child, even if she is the mother of the child.

to_bpr 8y ago

>Don't know if anyone coined the term toxic femininity, but it should obviously be a field of study Current Western society has placed women so high up on a pedestal that publicly leveling criticism at the gender in any aspect is detrimental to one's career and social standing. You're being flagged and downvoted for merely suggesting that not everything about femininity is positive. Let that sink in.

bonaldi 8y ago
No, he's been flagged for suggesting someone study the effects of a thing which he immediately admits he's just made up. It's not even "we should see if there's a counterpart to toxic masulinity", it's "I think there's toxic feminity, so we should study its effects!"
- ponderatul 8y ago
  You mean the effects of the negative manifestation of certain behaviours. So you are saying that my logical leap, that because there is "toxic masculinity" ( which is a gross simplification obviously) that a counterpart to that in the feminine side, is something I just made up. I usually make statements drawing from observed behaviour and interactions. And I can't deny that if we look on a spectrum of behaviour, and on one side we have masculinity on the other we have femininity. If we go all the way to the left to the masculine side, there are behaviours there that are what the media says "toxic". But if we go on the otherside of the spectrum, to the extreme, and say that yeah, things are just rosy on the other side, we are doing a great disservice to the truth.

ameister14 8y ago

Let's just not use either term.