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Curious why Google hasn't persued a criminal case against Levandowski for the Otto/Uber IP theft?

by maym86 8y ago

mrep 8y ago
Where have you been because this has been ongoing for like a year now? Waymo did sue Uber and there was a settlement: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bizcarson/2018/02/13/everyone-walked-away-a-winner-in-uber-waymo-settlement-but-most-of-the-damage-had-already-been-done/#5c1559d222fc https://www.forbes.com/sites/bizcarson/2018/02/13/everyone-w...
- maym86 8y ago
  Sure, but that was civil not criminal.
  - DannyBee 8y ago
    Google can't file criminal charges, only federal prosecutors can.
    - maym86 8y ago
      What would cause them to initiate it? What initiated it in the Jawbone case?
      - function_seven 8y ago
        Not sure if this is the same case, but Fitbit’s 10-K from a couple years back mentions an ongoing suit against them and some employees for the same thing. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1447599/000144759916000018/fitbit1231201510k.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1447599/000144759916... CTRL+F on that page for “On May 27, 2015, Jawbone filed a lawsuit”
      - dboreham 8y ago
        Generally the entity that believes their stuff has been stolen goes to the authorities to complain. Then someone there makes a determination whether or not to take up the case and ultimately prosecute.
      - xapata 8y ago
        In the Waymo v Uber case, the judge referred the case to the Dept of Justice. The DOJ then decides if they're interested in investigating. They still might.
solomatov 8y ago
Google can't do that. It's a decision made by a federal prosecutor. P.S. IANAL.
- maym86 8y ago
  Interesting. How would the federal prosecutor have found out about these people? Jawbone must have initiated in some way.
  - trhway 8y ago
    looks to be very similar story to Google/Lewandowski: http://fortune.com/2017/02/07/jawbone-says-criminal-grand-jury-investigating-rival-fitbit/ http://fortune.com/2017/02/07/jawbone-says-criminal-grand-ju... "In the California lawsuit, Jawbone has accused Fitbit of hiring away at least five of its former employees, who it says brought with them hundreds of thousands of confidential files when they joined in 2015." Looks like it was a smart move for Lewandowski when he took the 5th. These Jawbone/Fitbit employees seem to have chosen the other way: https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/07/15/jawbone-and-fitbits-lawsuit-everything-you-need-to.aspx https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/07/15/jawbone-and-fitbit... "Fitbit says it never accessed any of the files in dispute, or used them for any of its products. The Fitbit employees in question did turn over 18,000 files to the California Superior Court that belonged to Jawbone."

Curious why Google hasn't persued a criminal case against Levandowski for the Otto/Uber IP theft?

by maym86 8y ago

Curious why Google hasn't persued a criminal case against Levandowski for the Otto/Uber IP theft?

mrep 8y ago

Where have you been because this has been ongoing for like a year now? Waymo did sue Uber and there was a settlement: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bizcarson/2018/02/13/everyone-walked-away-a-winner-in-uber-waymo-settlement-but-most-of-the-damage-had-already-been-done/#5c1559d222fc https://www.forbes.com/sites/bizcarson/2018/02/13/everyone-w...

maym86 8y ago
Sure, but that was civil not criminal.
- DannyBee 8y ago
  Google can't file criminal charges, only federal prosecutors can.
  - maym86 8y ago
    What would cause them to initiate it? What initiated it in the Jawbone case?
    - function_seven 8y ago
      Not sure if this is the same case, but Fitbit’s 10-K from a couple years back mentions an ongoing suit against them and some employees for the same thing. https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1447599/000144759916000018/fitbit1231201510k.htm https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1447599/000144759916... CTRL+F on that page for “On May 27, 2015, Jawbone filed a lawsuit”
    - dboreham 8y ago
      Generally the entity that believes their stuff has been stolen goes to the authorities to complain. Then someone there makes a determination whether or not to take up the case and ultimately prosecute.
    - xapata 8y ago
      In the Waymo v Uber case, the judge referred the case to the Dept of Justice. The DOJ then decides if they're interested in investigating. They still might.

solomatov 8y ago

Google can't do that. It's a decision made by a federal prosecutor. P.S. IANAL.

maym86 8y ago
Interesting. How would the federal prosecutor have found out about these people? Jawbone must have initiated in some way.
- trhway 8y ago
  looks to be very similar story to Google/Lewandowski: http://fortune.com/2017/02/07/jawbone-says-criminal-grand-jury-investigating-rival-fitbit/ http://fortune.com/2017/02/07/jawbone-says-criminal-grand-ju... "In the California lawsuit, Jawbone has accused Fitbit of hiring away at least five of its former employees, who it says brought with them hundreds of thousands of confidential files when they joined in 2015." Looks like it was a smart move for Lewandowski when he took the 5th. These Jawbone/Fitbit employees seem to have chosen the other way: https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/07/15/jawbone-and-fitbits-lawsuit-everything-you-need-to.aspx https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/07/15/jawbone-and-fitbit... "Fitbit says it never accessed any of the files in dispute, or used them for any of its products. The Fitbit employees in question did turn over 18,000 files to the California Superior Court that belonged to Jawbone."