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They already converted Skype to RN, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did that. That would also be the day that I stop using MS Office as my go-to.

reimertz 8y ago
Why would you stop using it just because the migrate over to RN?
- kuschku 8y ago
  Do you know why LibreOffice moved away from Java? Because the performance was just not good enough. They had custom, native UI while the backend was running in Java. And it just wasn't fast enough. Even when hot, throughput and latency weren't good enough. So, they started moving to C++ as much as possible, as fast as possible. By now you can run Writer without Java at all. Current JS runtimes are all slower than HotSpot. Yet somehow we're to believe that doing the exact same mistake again will work better this time? It'll still end up being slow and a memory hog. Moore's law is dead. RAM is more expensive than at any other point in almost 10 years. You can't just throw abstractions at everything at the cost of performance anymore, expecting the hardware to catch up.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    And even Java is adding AOT and value types as a way to increase the performance. Somehow I got the feeling that MSFT has been invaded by JavaScript developers.
    - geodel 8y ago
      Oh yes. I won't be surprised if VS Code team to be even bigger than their money making products.
    - megaman22 8y ago
      A little sad, if it deemphasizes .net. I hope the Core transition doesn't turn into a boondoggle, though I'm afraid; it's taking a long time to reach parity with where the full framework was. The history of major language rewrites is not overly encouraging. Working in C# on .net 4.5-4.7 is such a tremendously productive platform.
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        BUILD 2018 was full of .NET goodies, including .NET Core 3.0 roadmap with Forms/WPF/UWP/XAMLDirect support as the main goal. It appears it is the usual political issues between Microsoft divisions, which I thought had gotten better after all the re-organizations that took place. I wouldn't be surprised if this JavaScript everywhere wasn't yet another way Microsoft is trying to appear cool among the Google devotees crowd, like how they are jumping in PWAs as well.
    - tzahola 8y ago
      Interestingly this coincides with them slowly becoming irrelevant in all areas.
      - pjmlp 8y ago
        Somehow you lost me there. Microsoft is as relevant as ever outside SV coffee shops.
      - chrshawkes 8y ago
        That's a ridiculous thing to say considering 50% of dev's are writing on Microsoft stacks and the company pulls in over 20 billion in actual profit each year.

reimertz 8y ago

Why would you stop using it just because the migrate over to RN?

kuschku 8y ago
Do you know why LibreOffice moved away from Java? Because the performance was just not good enough. They had custom, native UI while the backend was running in Java. And it just wasn't fast enough. Even when hot, throughput and latency weren't good enough. So, they started moving to C++ as much as possible, as fast as possible. By now you can run Writer without Java at all. Current JS runtimes are all slower than HotSpot. Yet somehow we're to believe that doing the exact same mistake again will work better this time? It'll still end up being slow and a memory hog. Moore's law is dead. RAM is more expensive than at any other point in almost 10 years. You can't just throw abstractions at everything at the cost of performance anymore, expecting the hardware to catch up.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  And even Java is adding AOT and value types as a way to increase the performance. Somehow I got the feeling that MSFT has been invaded by JavaScript developers.
  - geodel 8y ago
    Oh yes. I won't be surprised if VS Code team to be even bigger than their money making products.
  - megaman22 8y ago
    A little sad, if it deemphasizes .net. I hope the Core transition doesn't turn into a boondoggle, though I'm afraid; it's taking a long time to reach parity with where the full framework was. The history of major language rewrites is not overly encouraging. Working in C# on .net 4.5-4.7 is such a tremendously productive platform.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      BUILD 2018 was full of .NET goodies, including .NET Core 3.0 roadmap with Forms/WPF/UWP/XAMLDirect support as the main goal. It appears it is the usual political issues between Microsoft divisions, which I thought had gotten better after all the re-organizations that took place. I wouldn't be surprised if this JavaScript everywhere wasn't yet another way Microsoft is trying to appear cool among the Google devotees crowd, like how they are jumping in PWAs as well.
  - tzahola 8y ago
    Interestingly this coincides with them slowly becoming irrelevant in all areas.
    - pjmlp 8y ago
      Somehow you lost me there. Microsoft is as relevant as ever outside SV coffee shops.
    - chrshawkes 8y ago
      That's a ridiculous thing to say considering 50% of dev's are writing on Microsoft stacks and the company pulls in over 20 billion in actual profit each year.