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A lot of people who complain about hyperbole in the press seem to enjoy hyperbole applied to their favorite and least favorite tech brands. Really? You really

A lot of people who complain about hyperbole in the press seem to enjoy hyperbole applied to their favorite and least favorite tech brands. Really? You really think Apple “doesn’t care about professional Mac users”? Not only does this exaggeration/absurdity denigrate the author, it also makes it really, really hard for reasonably-minded people to pay attention to possibly valid arguments. The best authors tend to be candid and precise.

monksy 8y ago
What happened to their server line?
- techjuice 8y ago
  They discontinued the xserve in 2011, was nice buying the last three of them directly from Apple.
  - monksy 8y ago
    I was using that to point out that they have abandoned their audience before. This would not be that surprising.
- lozaning 8y ago
  Xserve RAID is still the most beautiful SAN ever designed. From time to time I still contemplate buying one just to make my home lab rack look better.
- threeseed 8y ago
  Nobody is buying servers any more. You just spin up one in seconds on AWS instead. Even enterprises are moving everything to the cloud.
  - monksy 8y ago
    That's a half truth about what is going on now. But in 2011 it wasn't.
fetus8 8y ago
The Pro hasn't been updated since 2013, MBPs now have non-upgradable components, and the Mac Mini hasn't been touched in years... I think there's a pretty solid reason people believe they're ignoring/don't care about professional Mac users.
- snowwrestler 8y ago
  Upgradeable components have nothing to do with pro users. A huge number of Mac professional customers are creative professionals who never want to see the inside of a computer. Heck most web and application developers don't want to see the inside of a computer. And many professionals have scheduled upgrade cycles. At home my personal computer is a 2008 MacBook Pro that I've upgraded with more RAM and an SSD. But at work my budget includes funds for a new machine every 3-5 years.
  - paulie_a 8y ago
    Apple doesn't have a huge number Mac users anyways.
    - threeseed 8y ago
      It's around 80 million installed base and 10% market share. Sounds like a lot to me.
      - paulie_a 8y ago
        10% is insignificant. Apple has always been a nonplayer in the desktop/laptop world dating back decades.
        taylodl 8y ago
        10% is insignificant. Yeah, I used to say the same thing back when Apple was dying in the late 90's and a colleague pointed out it'd be great to own a business that's only generating $2B annual revenues. Our company at the time was generating $60M in annual revenues and we thought we were the shit. And market share is a bad determiner for influence. Apple has always been the mindshare leader in the desktop/laptop world dating back decades. They had a brief spell in the 90's when they were losing their mojo. It could be happening again now that Steve is gone. We'll see.
symfoniq 8y ago
How is the article hyperbolic? I'll grant that Apple probably does care about "professional Mac users," so long as they are professional iOS developers. Outside this narrow group of professional users, it's hard for me to see how the article is wrong.
- mrunkel 8y ago
  Who exactly do you think they built the iMac Pro for? https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/imac-pro https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/imac-pro Certainly not IOS developers.
  - darkr 8y ago
    Receptionists
  - symfoniq 8y ago
    Sure, iOS developers. Apple just deprecated OpenGL and told everyone to use Metal instead. Where is the non-iOS, Metal-using audience for a supposedly 3D/VR graphics-oriented machine like the iMac Pro?
mlindner 8y ago
Yeah its pretty nonsense to make this claim. You should talk to literally everyone in Silicon Valley where macbooks/macbookpros are the standard system for developers to use.

monksy 8y ago

What happened to their server line?

techjuice 8y ago
They discontinued the xserve in 2011, was nice buying the last three of them directly from Apple.
- monksy 8y ago
  I was using that to point out that they have abandoned their audience before. This would not be that surprising.
lozaning 8y ago
Xserve RAID is still the most beautiful SAN ever designed. From time to time I still contemplate buying one just to make my home lab rack look better.
threeseed 8y ago
Nobody is buying servers any more. You just spin up one in seconds on AWS instead. Even enterprises are moving everything to the cloud.
- monksy 8y ago
  That's a half truth about what is going on now. But in 2011 it wasn't.

fetus8 8y ago

The Pro hasn't been updated since 2013, MBPs now have non-upgradable components, and the Mac Mini hasn't been touched in years... I think there's a pretty solid reason people believe they're ignoring/don't care about professional Mac users.

snowwrestler 8y ago
Upgradeable components have nothing to do with pro users. A huge number of Mac professional customers are creative professionals who never want to see the inside of a computer. Heck most web and application developers don't want to see the inside of a computer. And many professionals have scheduled upgrade cycles. At home my personal computer is a 2008 MacBook Pro that I've upgraded with more RAM and an SSD. But at work my budget includes funds for a new machine every 3-5 years.
- paulie_a 8y ago
  Apple doesn't have a huge number Mac users anyways.
  - threeseed 8y ago
    It's around 80 million installed base and 10% market share. Sounds like a lot to me.
    - paulie_a 8y ago
      10% is insignificant. Apple has always been a nonplayer in the desktop/laptop world dating back decades.
      - taylodl 8y ago
        10% is insignificant. Yeah, I used to say the same thing back when Apple was dying in the late 90's and a colleague pointed out it'd be great to own a business that's only generating $2B annual revenues. Our company at the time was generating $60M in annual revenues and we thought we were the shit. And market share is a bad determiner for influence. Apple has always been the mindshare leader in the desktop/laptop world dating back decades. They had a brief spell in the 90's when they were losing their mojo. It could be happening again now that Steve is gone. We'll see.

symfoniq 8y ago

How is the article hyperbolic? I'll grant that Apple probably does care about "professional Mac users," so long as they are professional iOS developers. Outside this narrow group of professional users, it's hard for me to see how the article is wrong.

mrunkel 8y ago
Who exactly do you think they built the iMac Pro for? https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/imac-pro https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/imac-pro Certainly not IOS developers.
- darkr 8y ago
  Receptionists
- symfoniq 8y ago
  Sure, iOS developers. Apple just deprecated OpenGL and told everyone to use Metal instead. Where is the non-iOS, Metal-using audience for a supposedly 3D/VR graphics-oriented machine like the iMac Pro?

mlindner 8y ago

Yeah its pretty nonsense to make this claim. You should talk to literally everyone in Silicon Valley where macbooks/macbookpros are the standard system for developers to use.