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Maybe I'm alone in this, but I really don't see what anyone likes about Macs or macOS, I bought a rMBP a few years back and it's to this date one of the worst p

Maybe I'm alone in this, but I really don't see what anyone likes about Macs or macOS, I bought a rMBP a few years back and it's to this date one of the worst purchases of my life, I hate the touchpad (the clicking thing is much slower than tapping), I hate the keyboard (feels really cheap) and macOS too, mostly due to Finder and Objective C being absolute garbage like nothing else I've seen. Wound up bootcamping it and giving it to my brother.

cup-of-tea 8y ago
You're definitely not alone. I agree with everything you said. I'll add that MacOS is like a weird, slow toy rather than a serious work environment. Everyone uses homebrew to do development but that's just a painfully slow version of package managers that have existed on Linux for decades. It might "just work", but it doesn't work at all the way I want it to.
wtallis 8y ago
> the clicking thing is much slower than tapping That has nothing to do with Macs vs PCs. Everything with a touchpad gives you a tap to click option, and if you didn't spend enough time with a Mac to realize this then you can't really make a fair assessment of the platform in any way other than hostile first impressions.
- dingo_bat 8y ago
  Defaults are very important in any UI. An OS that prides itself on usability should have the best default.
  - wtallis 8y ago
    Yes, but you can't assume that having tap to click enabled by default is the best default for the general public. It's way too easy for that to lead to a ton of stray clicks for anyone with impaired sensation or dexterity in their fingers. Apple very often likes to err on the side of making things simpler and more accessible by default while keeping the more powerful features hidden where power users can find them and where they won't distract your grandma. This can be a bit annoying at times for power users, but since those features are available to be turned on it's just a momentary annoyance when you're first setting up a new machine.
    - dingo_bat 8y ago
      Agreed, but at least one person came off with a bad experience. That anecdote is worth only that much. But it does indicate a problem.
      - wtallis 8y ago
        You can't please everyone, and the people who are looking for things to complain about are pretty low on the list of who you should be trying to please.
        dingo_bat 8y ago
        I am not looking for things to complain about. And I doubt the parent was too. It's a genuine issue. As far as not being able to please everyone, how many old people are using macbook pros? Is that number more than the number of regular users who prefer a better touchpad?
        ericd 8y ago
        It might be annoying for a regular user to have that disabled until they figure out how to enable that, it could be literally unusable for a less capable user to have touch to click enabled. If you're not savvy enough to know that you might be able to disable it, you're probably also unsavvy enough that spurious clicks are disastrous, because you aren't comfortable enough to undo things. I think they may have thought about this a little bit before making their default decisions.
  - ScottBurson 8y ago
    A lot of us think it is the best. I've never liked tap-to-click; I tried it again a year or so ago when my trackpad button went out, and decided it was indeed unusable — too many unintended clicks. (I replaced the trackpad.) Anyway, "the clicking thing is much slower than tapping" is just not true if you're used to clicking.
- shittyadmin 8y ago
  I figured I'd get used to it eventually, so I didn't want to just up and change what seemed like it should have been a good default, what you're suggesting would mean basically turning off a hardware "feature". In the end it just wasn't for me and I didn't accept it until I had basically switched to using my desktop machine full time. I typically give things like this their fair shot - some of them I get used to, like Windows switching to grouped single icons without titles... I hated it at first, but eventually it made some sense to me. Only when I've absolutely given up on them do I bother changing settings. I try my best not to let those negative first impressions stick, to give them a real shot, and this was part of the machine I'd purchased, I figured I better try it...
  - wtallis 8y ago
    > what you're suggesting would mean basically turning off a hardware "feature". Enabling tap to click does not disable the mechanical or haptic click mechanisms, nor does it disable any other functionality.
threeseed 8y ago
> the clicking thing is much slower than tapping System Preferences -> Trackpad -> Tap To Click Are you sure you had a Mac because this isn't hard to find. > Objective C Why are you using it ? Swift has been the default and its a fantastic language.

cup-of-tea 8y ago

You're definitely not alone. I agree with everything you said. I'll add that MacOS is like a weird, slow toy rather than a serious work environment. Everyone uses homebrew to do development but that's just a painfully slow version of package managers that have existed on Linux for decades. It might "just work", but it doesn't work at all the way I want it to.

wtallis 8y ago

> the clicking thing is much slower than tapping That has nothing to do with Macs vs PCs. Everything with a touchpad gives you a tap to click option, and if you didn't spend enough time with a Mac to realize this then you can't really make a fair assessment of the platform in any way other than hostile first impressions.

dingo_bat 8y ago
Defaults are very important in any UI. An OS that prides itself on usability should have the best default.
- wtallis 8y ago
  Yes, but you can't assume that having tap to click enabled by default is the best default for the general public. It's way too easy for that to lead to a ton of stray clicks for anyone with impaired sensation or dexterity in their fingers. Apple very often likes to err on the side of making things simpler and more accessible by default while keeping the more powerful features hidden where power users can find them and where they won't distract your grandma. This can be a bit annoying at times for power users, but since those features are available to be turned on it's just a momentary annoyance when you're first setting up a new machine.
  - dingo_bat 8y ago
    Agreed, but at least one person came off with a bad experience. That anecdote is worth only that much. But it does indicate a problem.
    - wtallis 8y ago
      You can't please everyone, and the people who are looking for things to complain about are pretty low on the list of who you should be trying to please.
      - dingo_bat 8y ago
        I am not looking for things to complain about. And I doubt the parent was too. It's a genuine issue. As far as not being able to please everyone, how many old people are using macbook pros? Is that number more than the number of regular users who prefer a better touchpad?
        ericd 8y ago
        It might be annoying for a regular user to have that disabled until they figure out how to enable that, it could be literally unusable for a less capable user to have touch to click enabled. If you're not savvy enough to know that you might be able to disable it, you're probably also unsavvy enough that spurious clicks are disastrous, because you aren't comfortable enough to undo things. I think they may have thought about this a little bit before making their default decisions.
- ScottBurson 8y ago
  A lot of us think it is the best. I've never liked tap-to-click; I tried it again a year or so ago when my trackpad button went out, and decided it was indeed unusable — too many unintended clicks. (I replaced the trackpad.) Anyway, "the clicking thing is much slower than tapping" is just not true if you're used to clicking.
shittyadmin 8y ago
I figured I'd get used to it eventually, so I didn't want to just up and change what seemed like it should have been a good default, what you're suggesting would mean basically turning off a hardware "feature". In the end it just wasn't for me and I didn't accept it until I had basically switched to using my desktop machine full time. I typically give things like this their fair shot - some of them I get used to, like Windows switching to grouped single icons without titles... I hated it at first, but eventually it made some sense to me. Only when I've absolutely given up on them do I bother changing settings. I try my best not to let those negative first impressions stick, to give them a real shot, and this was part of the machine I'd purchased, I figured I better try it...
- wtallis 8y ago
  > what you're suggesting would mean basically turning off a hardware "feature". Enabling tap to click does not disable the mechanical or haptic click mechanisms, nor does it disable any other functionality.

threeseed 8y ago

> the clicking thing is much slower than tapping System Preferences -> Trackpad -> Tap To Click Are you sure you had a Mac because this isn't hard to find. > Objective C Why are you using it ? Swift has been the default and its a fantastic language.