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You just called a bunch of people morons. Take that in for a second. There's thinly veiled circular reasoning in there somewhere, that amounts to saying that me

You just called a bunch of people morons. Take that in for a second. There's thinly veiled circular reasoning in there somewhere, that amounts to saying that mental illness cannot be understood and these people must be mentally ill, implying this were so because you cannot understand them, but not giving any explicit opinion whatsoever. Ultimately you contradict yourself about their ability to engage with the world, too. This is polemic and very bad. Ultimately, the message was that thoughts and feelings of mentally impaired people do have no bearing on their illness, or if it did, you wouldn't care. Then why comment, if you don't care?

jerf 8y ago
"You just called a bunch of people morons" No, you did. I said they were either deliberately playing or mentally ill, and that you must take that into account if you want to understand. It's the opposite of calling people morons. That was something you brought to this discussion.
- posterboy 8y ago
  Calling someone a moron is claiming they are mentally ill. Unless I have lost touch with the world and you think moron translates simply to worthless piece of shit or something of the like. Edit: I mean, sure, you show some interest, hence my question was actually honest. I didn't expect an honest answer given the attitude, but I had to ask.
  - nikdaheratik 8y ago
    1. No, calling someone a moron does not always mean you're making the claim that they either have a learning disability, or are mentally ill. 2. Trying to make the claim that this word is completely innocuous, is very unbelievable unless we are to assume you are typing this from a wormhole into the past before this entered mainstream vocabulary. 3. If you were attempting to use the term in a more clinical fashion, you've completely failed to apply it correctly.
    - posterboy 8y ago
      >Trying to make the claim that this word is completely innocuous This is where it becomes obvious that you think that mentally ill -- the way you used it -- was completely innocuous, objectively true. Hence I might as well, by your own standards, call you a moron, or at least mentally ill, until the opposite is proven. That is, you might indeed be a Psychologist, and not an impostor, but otherwise your use of the term in a more clinical fashion is likewise incorrectly applied, very very likely. Sure this discussion is a waste of your time, if you are an idiot who doesn't understand "these people". PS: This is fun, blaming other people for their faults,not very helpful, but certainly fun getting a sense of superiority. I'm sure you are trying to say the right thing, but between lack of qualification and even contradicting yourself, you didn't, I'm sorry.

jerf 8y ago

"You just called a bunch of people morons" No, you did. I said they were either deliberately playing or mentally ill, and that you must take that into account if you want to understand. It's the opposite of calling people morons. That was something you brought to this discussion.

posterboy 8y ago
Calling someone a moron is claiming they are mentally ill. Unless I have lost touch with the world and you think moron translates simply to worthless piece of shit or something of the like. Edit: I mean, sure, you show some interest, hence my question was actually honest. I didn't expect an honest answer given the attitude, but I had to ask.
- nikdaheratik 8y ago
  1. No, calling someone a moron does not always mean you're making the claim that they either have a learning disability, or are mentally ill. 2. Trying to make the claim that this word is completely innocuous, is very unbelievable unless we are to assume you are typing this from a wormhole into the past before this entered mainstream vocabulary. 3. If you were attempting to use the term in a more clinical fashion, you've completely failed to apply it correctly.
  - posterboy 8y ago
    >Trying to make the claim that this word is completely innocuous This is where it becomes obvious that you think that mentally ill -- the way you used it -- was completely innocuous, objectively true. Hence I might as well, by your own standards, call you a moron, or at least mentally ill, until the opposite is proven. That is, you might indeed be a Psychologist, and not an impostor, but otherwise your use of the term in a more clinical fashion is likewise incorrectly applied, very very likely. Sure this discussion is a waste of your time, if you are an idiot who doesn't understand "these people". PS: This is fun, blaming other people for their faults,not very helpful, but certainly fun getting a sense of superiority. I'm sure you are trying to say the right thing, but between lack of qualification and even contradicting yourself, you didn't, I'm sorry.