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In terms of durability, Dell XPS is a consumer-grade product and should not be relied on for any serious work. The only real alternatives to Apple Macbook in te

by krn 8y ago

In terms of durability, Dell XPS is a consumer-grade product and should not be relied on for any serious work. The only real alternatives to Apple Macbook in terms of build quality, design and performance are ThinkPad X1 Carbon[1] and Dell Precision 5530[2], which is XPS business-grade counterpart. [1] https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/ThinkPad-X1-Carbon-6th-Gen/p/22TP2TXX16G https://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/Th... [2] http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-notebooks/new-precision-5530/spd/precision-15-5530-laptop/xctop5530hwus http://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-laptops-and-noteboo...

gaius 8y ago
Surface is what Macs should have been. The form factor, the build quality, everything. Jobs would never have allowed those keyboards out the door.
goatherders 8y ago
Rather than say something snarky I would be interested to know what makes you say it is consumer-grade and should not be relied on for serious work. I use mine to run multiple businesses and my bank account suggests I do serious work.
- krn 8y ago
  "Security & Durability Unlike its consumer counterpart, XPS, the Precision 5530 passed 14 tests for for MIL-SPEC durability, the standards that the U.S. Military equipment must pass for ruggedness. That means it can be operated in extremely hot and cold environments (as low as minus 20.2 degrees Fahrenheit to as high as 140 degrees), survive the shocks of drops and gusts of dusts, among other things."
  - goatherders 8y ago
    So it's not approved for military use? Ok, point given.
    - krn 8y ago
      That's what a consumer-grade product is: when you get a substantially lower build quality for what otherwise is exactly the same machine.
      - goatherders 8y ago
        So most everything out there including everything Apple is consumer grade? Ok. Some people (including me) see military grade as enhanced build of the regular product but whatever. Potato, tomato.
        krn 8y ago
        ThinkPads used by developers (X & T) meet the same military-grade standards[1]. It depends what do you want to happen, when your machine hits the ground. [1] https://www3.lenovo.com/hk/en/thisisthinkpad/innovation/thinkpad-mil-spec-tested-to-the-extreme/ https://www3.lenovo.com/hk/en/thisisthinkpad/innovation/thin...
CoolGuySteve 8y ago
The XPS line is listed on their business website and I bought it using a small business account, so clearly your unsubstantiated statement is not in agreement with Dell's opinion.
jseliger 8y ago
This is a side note, but many years ago before I began using Macs, I found PC maker websites baffling and hard to understand. Today, that continues. I click the Lenovo link and hit a popup asking for my email. I decline that. I try to hit "View or customize" in Firefox, and that fails. I switch to Chrome, and again have to decline giving my email, and that works. But then I hit a screen that says, "We value your opinion! After your visit, would you be willing to provide some quick feedback? It will only take a minute." No. Then I get six options to choose from, ranging from about $1,100 up through $2,000. What are the differences among these? I'm not entirely sure. I know I can wade through these and figure them out, but the user experience doesn't seem very good.

by krn 8y ago

gaius 8y ago

Surface is what Macs should have been. The form factor, the build quality, everything. Jobs would never have allowed those keyboards out the door.

goatherders 8y ago

Rather than say something snarky I would be interested to know what makes you say it is consumer-grade and should not be relied on for serious work. I use mine to run multiple businesses and my bank account suggests I do serious work.

krn 8y ago
"Security & Durability Unlike its consumer counterpart, XPS, the Precision 5530 passed 14 tests for for MIL-SPEC durability, the standards that the U.S. Military equipment must pass for ruggedness. That means it can be operated in extremely hot and cold environments (as low as minus 20.2 degrees Fahrenheit to as high as 140 degrees), survive the shocks of drops and gusts of dusts, among other things."
- goatherders 8y ago
  So it's not approved for military use? Ok, point given.
  - krn 8y ago
    That's what a consumer-grade product is: when you get a substantially lower build quality for what otherwise is exactly the same machine.
    - goatherders 8y ago
      So most everything out there including everything Apple is consumer grade? Ok. Some people (including me) see military grade as enhanced build of the regular product but whatever. Potato, tomato.
      - krn 8y ago
        ThinkPads used by developers (X & T) meet the same military-grade standards[1]. It depends what do you want to happen, when your machine hits the ground. [1] https://www3.lenovo.com/hk/en/thisisthinkpad/innovation/thinkpad-mil-spec-tested-to-the-extreme/ https://www3.lenovo.com/hk/en/thisisthinkpad/innovation/thin...

CoolGuySteve 8y ago

The XPS line is listed on their business website and I bought it using a small business account, so clearly your unsubstantiated statement is not in agreement with Dell's opinion.

jseliger 8y ago

This is a side note, but many years ago before I began using Macs, I found PC maker websites baffling and hard to understand. Today, that continues. I click the Lenovo link and hit a popup asking for my email. I decline that. I try to hit "View or customize" in Firefox, and that fails. I switch to Chrome, and again have to decline giving my email, and that works. But then I hit a screen that says, "We value your opinion! After your visit, would you be willing to provide some quick feedback? It will only take a minute." No. Then I get six options to choose from, ranging from about $1,100 up through $2,000. What are the differences among these? I'm not entirely sure. I know I can wade through these and figure them out, but the user experience doesn't seem very good.