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> Creatives doing photography, 3D, video, etc. have long left for other platforms. Is this really a thing? I recently started dabbling in digital comic book a

> Creatives doing photography, 3D, video, etc. have long left for other platforms. Is this really a thing? I recently started dabbling in digital comic book art, using Krita and a Wacom-clone drawing tablet on a Windows PC. As I interact with others in the community on Discord and web boards and so forth, I get the "filthy casual" vibe for not using Adobe on a MacBook even as an absolute beginner.

andrepd 8y ago
Maybe you're hanging around the wrong boards.
extralego 8y ago
Yeah. If you only do photography or graphic design, there’s not much reason to move. But, if you’re doing high-end video editing, you can get a more suitable PC for 1/3 the price of a suitable Mac Pro. And if you’re using games engines or 3D software, there’s not even a discussion to have. I think Adobe has a deal with Apple (and possibly Microsoft) which entices them away from delivering Photoshop for Linux, but I hear it runs well in Wine! Adobe’s purchase of Macromedia has proven to be the thorn that any concerned spectator would have expected it to be. I think I was in high school at the time (loose guess). I used Adobe products for a good 10 years professionally after college and can attest that the Adobe software has essentially not changed beyond file format support and lock-in features. EDIT: Media Encoder is nice (now) but a good decade later than it should have been. The very recent improvements to After Effects sound useful but again too little too late. They appear to only be responding when competition appears.
- toasterlovin 8y ago
  > I think Adobe has a deal with Apple (and possibly Microsoft) which entices them away from delivering Photoshop for Linux Surely you're joking, right? The deal they have is that approximately 0% of people use Linux.
  - extralego 8y ago
    I’m not joking, but I was explicit in my lack of certainty so I hope that speaks for itself. Your reasoning is convincing enough as it stands, and falls in line with their approach of only adding new features when competition appears.
vertexFarm 8y ago
It happens in stages. People doing low-spec 2d work like Illustrator are still on macs. That's fine, macs will handle that and it's still important work that has to be done. But eventually they are going to see the economy of doing it on different hardware through their relations with other members of the pipeline. Once you have to crunch some 4k video or run a dynamics simulation, you switch to PC. The price difference between a mac pro workstation and a similar homebuilt is just completely insane, and four years later the homebuilt will be upgraded with new stuff and the mac pro will be literally worth more as metal recycling. There are practically no apple users in mograph anymore, even though just about all mograph artists started on mac. Keep in mind that the people on discord and web boards or whatever are amateur hobbyists. I don't say that as a slur, it's a stage we all go through and I remember that stage fondly. In some ways it's the best stage. But they have not had to deal with economics yet. That will make them re-think their hardware elitism.

andrepd 8y ago

Maybe you're hanging around the wrong boards.

extralego 8y ago

Yeah. If you only do photography or graphic design, there’s not much reason to move. But, if you’re doing high-end video editing, you can get a more suitable PC for 1/3 the price of a suitable Mac Pro. And if you’re using games engines or 3D software, there’s not even a discussion to have. I think Adobe has a deal with Apple (and possibly Microsoft) which entices them away from delivering Photoshop for Linux, but I hear it runs well in Wine! Adobe’s purchase of Macromedia has proven to be the thorn that any concerned spectator would have expected it to be. I think I was in high school at the time (loose guess). I used Adobe products for a good 10 years professionally after college and can attest that the Adobe software has essentially not changed beyond file format support and lock-in features. EDIT: Media Encoder is nice (now) but a good decade later than it should have been. The very recent improvements to After Effects sound useful but again too little too late. They appear to only be responding when competition appears.

toasterlovin 8y ago
> I think Adobe has a deal with Apple (and possibly Microsoft) which entices them away from delivering Photoshop for Linux Surely you're joking, right? The deal they have is that approximately 0% of people use Linux.
- extralego 8y ago
  I’m not joking, but I was explicit in my lack of certainty so I hope that speaks for itself. Your reasoning is convincing enough as it stands, and falls in line with their approach of only adding new features when competition appears.

vertexFarm 8y ago

It happens in stages. People doing low-spec 2d work like Illustrator are still on macs. That's fine, macs will handle that and it's still important work that has to be done. But eventually they are going to see the economy of doing it on different hardware through their relations with other members of the pipeline. Once you have to crunch some 4k video or run a dynamics simulation, you switch to PC. The price difference between a mac pro workstation and a similar homebuilt is just completely insane, and four years later the homebuilt will be upgraded with new stuff and the mac pro will be literally worth more as metal recycling. There are practically no apple users in mograph anymore, even though just about all mograph artists started on mac. Keep in mind that the people on discord and web boards or whatever are amateur hobbyists. I don't say that as a slur, it's a stage we all go through and I remember that stage fondly. In some ways it's the best stage. But they have not had to deal with economics yet. That will make them re-think their hardware elitism.