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Just buy an iPad Pro. Why would you buy a PC anymore?

waynecochran 8y ago
If I could develop on an iPad pro I might. If I had Xcode, access to other compilers, Bash, Perl, emacs,... There is no underlying platform for development to begin with (there is Un*x down in there somewhere). Forget development for the moment, iPads are really "content consumption" devices not "content creation" .. I don't even like editing spreadsheets on an iPad.
- wilsonnb2 8y ago
  iPads, especially the Pros, are excellent for certain types of content creation. Digital art with the Pencil and music, in particular. They are also more or less equally as good as PC's at certain types of content creation. Word documents, PDF markup, email, that sort of thing. There are certain types of content creation that they are bad at (programming, spreadsheets), but we can't say that they aren't for content creation based on that small, developer focused subset of content creation.
  - waynecochran 8y ago
    I bought an iPad Pro and pencil with the hope I could at least draw figures and take notes. I gave up after awhile. Still doesn’t beat pencil and paper.
- umanwizard 8y ago
  > (there is Un*x down in there somewhere) Not really; on iOS there is a posix-like kernel but none of the userland.
  - filleduchaos 8y ago
    Not really, iOS is built off Darwin (which is a Unix) same as macOS (which is a Unix) and is a perfectly acceptable Unix-like.
    - umanwizard 8y ago
      What do you mean by perfectly acceptable Unix-like? As I said, the kernel is Unix-like, but you can’t run ls, cat, grep, vi, and so on. Also, what do you mean by “Darwin” ? iOS shares a kernel with Darwin, but is it based on it in any other way?
      - filleduchaos 8y ago
        > but you can’t run ls, cat, grep, vi, and so on And? None of that makes it not a Unix-like. (Plus you can run those, just not through the provided UI) > iOS shares a kernel with Darwin, but is it based on it in any other way? Darwin is literally the base of iOS and macOS.
        umanwizard 8y ago
        So what do you think makes an OS Unix-like?
        filleduchaos 8y ago
        What do you think makes iOS not Unix-like? This isn't even a debate, iOS is widely recognized as being a Unix-like in the BSD family with Darwin (its base) and macOS (which it is essentially a stripped down version of) both being Unixes.
        umanwizard 8y ago
        I am asking you, what do you think is Unix-like about iOS? I have already said what makes it not Unix-like -- it is missing the normal Unix user interface which is part of every Unix-like OS and defined in various standards such as Posix. For example, here is the definition of `ls` according to the Posix standard: https://www.unix.com/man-page/posix/1posix/ls https://www.unix.com/man-page/posix/1posix/ls I am not disputing that the kernel API is Unix-like, however the syscall API is only one pretty small part of the complete OS. The Posix standard is basically the definition in my mind of what it means for an operating system to be "Unix-like". Which is why I am asking what your definition is, since it seems to be fundamentally different.
mulle_nat 8y ago
Tim Cook: "I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?" "Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones." https://www.businessinsider.de/apple-ceo-tim-cook-why-would-you-buy-a-pc-anymore-2015-11?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.de/apple-ceo-tim-cook-why-would-... So it's hardly a surprise, that there is not much happening on the Mac side of things.
visarga 8y ago
Because I want a screen that stands on its own. iPads are heavy to hold for a long time.

If I could develop on an iPad pro I might. If I had Xcode, access to other compilers, Bash, Perl, emacs,... There is no underlying platform for development to begin with (there is Un*x down in there somewhere). Forget development for the moment, iPads are really "content consumption" devices not "content creation" .. I don't even like editing spreadsheets on an iPad.

wilsonnb2 8y ago
iPads, especially the Pros, are excellent for certain types of content creation. Digital art with the Pencil and music, in particular. They are also more or less equally as good as PC's at certain types of content creation. Word documents, PDF markup, email, that sort of thing. There are certain types of content creation that they are bad at (programming, spreadsheets), but we can't say that they aren't for content creation based on that small, developer focused subset of content creation.
- waynecochran 8y ago
  I bought an iPad Pro and pencil with the hope I could at least draw figures and take notes. I gave up after awhile. Still doesn’t beat pencil and paper.
umanwizard 8y ago
> (there is Un*x down in there somewhere) Not really; on iOS there is a posix-like kernel but none of the userland.
- filleduchaos 8y ago
  Not really, iOS is built off Darwin (which is a Unix) same as macOS (which is a Unix) and is a perfectly acceptable Unix-like.
  - umanwizard 8y ago
    What do you mean by perfectly acceptable Unix-like? As I said, the kernel is Unix-like, but you can’t run ls, cat, grep, vi, and so on. Also, what do you mean by “Darwin” ? iOS shares a kernel with Darwin, but is it based on it in any other way?
    - filleduchaos 8y ago
      > but you can’t run ls, cat, grep, vi, and so on And? None of that makes it not a Unix-like. (Plus you can run those, just not through the provided UI) > iOS shares a kernel with Darwin, but is it based on it in any other way? Darwin is literally the base of iOS and macOS.
      - umanwizard 8y ago
        So what do you think makes an OS Unix-like?
        filleduchaos 8y ago
        What do you think makes iOS not Unix-like? This isn't even a debate, iOS is widely recognized as being a Unix-like in the BSD family with Darwin (its base) and macOS (which it is essentially a stripped down version of) both being Unixes.
        umanwizard 8y ago
        I am asking you, what do you think is Unix-like about iOS? I have already said what makes it not Unix-like -- it is missing the normal Unix user interface which is part of every Unix-like OS and defined in various standards such as Posix. For example, here is the definition of `ls` according to the Posix standard: https://www.unix.com/man-page/posix/1posix/ls https://www.unix.com/man-page/posix/1posix/ls I am not disputing that the kernel API is Unix-like, however the syscall API is only one pretty small part of the complete OS. The Posix standard is basically the definition in my mind of what it means for an operating system to be "Unix-like". Which is why I am asking what your definition is, since it seems to be fundamentally different.

mulle_nat 8y ago

Tim Cook: "I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?" "Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones." https://www.businessinsider.de/apple-ceo-tim-cook-why-would-you-buy-a-pc-anymore-2015-11?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.de/apple-ceo-tim-cook-why-would-... So it's hardly a surprise, that there is not much happening on the Mac side of things.

visarga 8y ago

Because I want a screen that stands on its own. iPads are heavy to hold for a long time.