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It sounds to me like each individual he scammed also has a case. Which means there's hope for a more just outcome.

ChuckMcM 8y ago
That is what I was thinking as well, a civil case from each person scammed, perhaps put into a class action which would result in a some justice for the folks who were scammed, and perhaps create a permanent garnishment on all of his wages from now until he dies where a percentage of anything he makes in any job goes to his victims.
- pc86 8y ago
  All a class action will do is make one firm 80% or more of the judgment. And it appears the defendant is judgment proof as this is a low single digit percentage of the original award.
- briandear 8y ago
  Class actions are worthless as a form of justice to the victim. They might get a $30 check.
  - ChuckMcM 8y ago
    I wasn't clear in my communications ;-). In cases like these (non-violent economic crimes) there is often a call for "justice" which includes incarcerating the perpetrator. I am of the opinion that locking them up furthers the damage of their crime by costing tax payers to pay to lock them up, house, and feed them. Because of that opinion, I lean toward justice solutions whereby the perpetrator is allowed to live in the 'outside' world but a percentage of all their earnings going forward is paid into a victim's restitution fund. This is analagous with "mortgaging their life", think of it as a student loan debt for criminals that can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The idea being that "justice" means impacting the rest of the perpetrators life with an economic cost equivalent to the economic impact they had on their victims lives. And doing so with a minimal increase in tax cost to enforce.
    - gowld 8y ago
      What kind of useful work can a fraudster do? You can't trust him with money, and I'd rather unskilled labor jobs go to honest people.
JackCh 8y ago
How many of those individuals will come to realize this particular guy is the one who scammed him? Has there been an effort by the government to reach out to each of his victims and notify them of the identity of the man who scammed them?
- reaperducer 8y ago
  If it becomes a class-action suit, you can guarantee the lawyers will find every last victim. And then some.
haspoken 8y ago
Just for those with the knowledge and money to pursue a case against him.

That is what I was thinking as well, a civil case from each person scammed, perhaps put into a class action which would result in a some justice for the folks who were scammed, and perhaps create a permanent garnishment on all of his wages from now until he dies where a percentage of anything he makes in any job goes to his victims.

pc86 8y ago
All a class action will do is make one firm 80% or more of the judgment. And it appears the defendant is judgment proof as this is a low single digit percentage of the original award.
briandear 8y ago
Class actions are worthless as a form of justice to the victim. They might get a $30 check.
- ChuckMcM 8y ago
  I wasn't clear in my communications ;-). In cases like these (non-violent economic crimes) there is often a call for "justice" which includes incarcerating the perpetrator. I am of the opinion that locking them up furthers the damage of their crime by costing tax payers to pay to lock them up, house, and feed them. Because of that opinion, I lean toward justice solutions whereby the perpetrator is allowed to live in the 'outside' world but a percentage of all their earnings going forward is paid into a victim's restitution fund. This is analagous with "mortgaging their life", think of it as a student loan debt for criminals that can't be discharged through bankruptcy. The idea being that "justice" means impacting the rest of the perpetrators life with an economic cost equivalent to the economic impact they had on their victims lives. And doing so with a minimal increase in tax cost to enforce.
  - gowld 8y ago
    What kind of useful work can a fraudster do? You can't trust him with money, and I'd rather unskilled labor jobs go to honest people.

JackCh 8y ago

How many of those individuals will come to realize this particular guy is the one who scammed him? Has there been an effort by the government to reach out to each of his victims and notify them of the identity of the man who scammed them?

reaperducer 8y ago
If it becomes a class-action suit, you can guarantee the lawyers will find every last victim. And then some.

haspoken 8y ago

Just for those with the knowledge and money to pursue a case against him.