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Quite possibly the most interesting comment in this thread but no details. I'd much rather hear about the incredible hoops Disney may be jumping through to make

Quite possibly the most interesting comment in this thread but no details. I'd much rather hear about the incredible hoops Disney may be jumping through to make all this work. I've always been fascinated by Disney's vast array of businesses spawned in Florida to take care of their interests. Really wish you'd have shared more insight if you have any.

ksec 8y ago
Excuses my ignorance.... Why Florida?
- coderdude 8y ago
  Florida is where Disney World is. It's huge. Bigger than you might imagine. That is, their stake in the surrounding area is much larger than the theme parks they operate. It's said that they control whole counties.
- InTheArena 8y ago
  Disney wants to open up Marvel themed parks (gates)both at Disney Land and at Disney World. Disney Land (in California) is severely space restricted, so it may end up only being a "land" (or subsection) of the existing California adventures park. In orlando they have plenty of space, but the contract for Universal (who is owned by Comcast) keeps disney from using a ton of marvel IP.
giancarlostoro 8y ago
Universal Studios owns a contract to Marvel that basically disallows Disney to do any Marvel COMIC shows or rides because their parks are just close enough (within 100 miles or something) to Universals parks to be part of the clause. Disney cannot cancel the contract in order for Disney to buy it out it has to be negotiated under Universals terms as well. I have a relative that works at Universal Studios who explained this to me. The only thing Disney can do is new marvel characters probably and stuff based off Marvel movies. I don't think the contract has an expiration date either... Marvel wasn't doing too good back in the day you could say.
- coderdude 8y ago
  Oooh snap. That's probably most of the reason why their only ride based on this universe is Guardians. They have characters like Spiderman walk around in a small section of Disney's California Adventure but I didn't know any of that. Of course I take it for what it is but that sheds a ton of light on what I've seen. *California Adventure is a theme park literally right next to dland. Separated by maybe 200 feet at the entrance points. Additionally, one does not simply not buy park hopper tickets. Edit: just realized how much I gave myself away as a Disney kid :D
- InTheArena 8y ago
  It's actually worse then that. So, there is not only a master contract in place. there are subcontracts for every single character and IP that is in Orlando, with different scopes associated with each. One of the reasons Disney went so heavily with Guardians of the Galaxy, is because they believed that Orlando could use these characters, as they were new characters. Disney also thought they could get away with doing some advertisements on the monorails. Universal objected, in court. At this point, Disney is looking to figure out what they can and can not do. The fact that they are going to be building a guardians coaster at Epcot means they think they are fairly sure of that particular thing, no matter what universal (comcast) may threaten them with. On the other hand, the rumored Wakanda stuff makes everything much more dicey. I'm told that Disney was very comfortable that they had the ability to get all of the rights when they bought marvel. I'm told that they are much less sure of that now. My guess is that Fox may eventually get sold for pieces. Disney's 30% stake of hulu, plus the marvel rights and Avatar are just too important for Disney not utilize their most powerful death start - their lobbyists.
  - giancarlostoro 8y ago
    Just when I thought I knew a good chunk of it, I find out I knew even less. That is crazy.

ksec 8y ago

Excuses my ignorance.... Why Florida?

coderdude 8y ago
Florida is where Disney World is. It's huge. Bigger than you might imagine. That is, their stake in the surrounding area is much larger than the theme parks they operate. It's said that they control whole counties.
InTheArena 8y ago
Disney wants to open up Marvel themed parks (gates)both at Disney Land and at Disney World. Disney Land (in California) is severely space restricted, so it may end up only being a "land" (or subsection) of the existing California adventures park. In orlando they have plenty of space, but the contract for Universal (who is owned by Comcast) keeps disney from using a ton of marvel IP.

giancarlostoro 8y ago

Universal Studios owns a contract to Marvel that basically disallows Disney to do any Marvel COMIC shows or rides because their parks are just close enough (within 100 miles or something) to Universals parks to be part of the clause. Disney cannot cancel the contract in order for Disney to buy it out it has to be negotiated under Universals terms as well. I have a relative that works at Universal Studios who explained this to me. The only thing Disney can do is new marvel characters probably and stuff based off Marvel movies. I don't think the contract has an expiration date either... Marvel wasn't doing too good back in the day you could say.

coderdude 8y ago
Oooh snap. That's probably most of the reason why their only ride based on this universe is Guardians. They have characters like Spiderman walk around in a small section of Disney's California Adventure but I didn't know any of that. Of course I take it for what it is but that sheds a ton of light on what I've seen. *California Adventure is a theme park literally right next to dland. Separated by maybe 200 feet at the entrance points. Additionally, one does not simply not buy park hopper tickets. Edit: just realized how much I gave myself away as a Disney kid :D
InTheArena 8y ago
It's actually worse then that. So, there is not only a master contract in place. there are subcontracts for every single character and IP that is in Orlando, with different scopes associated with each. One of the reasons Disney went so heavily with Guardians of the Galaxy, is because they believed that Orlando could use these characters, as they were new characters. Disney also thought they could get away with doing some advertisements on the monorails. Universal objected, in court. At this point, Disney is looking to figure out what they can and can not do. The fact that they are going to be building a guardians coaster at Epcot means they think they are fairly sure of that particular thing, no matter what universal (comcast) may threaten them with. On the other hand, the rumored Wakanda stuff makes everything much more dicey. I'm told that Disney was very comfortable that they had the ability to get all of the rights when they bought marvel. I'm told that they are much less sure of that now. My guess is that Fox may eventually get sold for pieces. Disney's 30% stake of hulu, plus the marvel rights and Avatar are just too important for Disney not utilize their most powerful death start - their lobbyists.
- giancarlostoro 8y ago
  Just when I thought I knew a good chunk of it, I find out I knew even less. That is crazy.