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In that video, does the Tesla try to brake, and brake hard? This seems to be the case -- if you watch the video the Tesla is at a full stop about 10 feet after

In that video, does the Tesla try to brake, and brake hard? This seems to be the case -- if you watch the video the Tesla is at a full stop about 10 feet after the car, implying it must have hit the brakes hard way beforehand. In that case, I don't blame Telsa for crashing -- you literally are baiting it into the crash a la a bull with a flag. You make it follow one car, prevent it from changing lanes, and then have an obstacle parked in the middle of the lane. I'm all for getting Tesla to be safer. The accident count has gotten way too high. But this seems to be a test that is rigged, and Tesla did break.

cjhopman 8y ago
> In that video, does the Tesla try to brake, and brake hard? It's different takes edited together. Note the cameraman near the dummy car as the tesla approaches (you can see him and part of the video was shot by him). > In that case, I don't blame Telsa for crashing And in the case where it didn't brake? Would you blame Tesla then? Well... none of Tesla's driver assistance can handle that case, there's no way that they would brake. It will not brake for a stationary object (unless that object was previously moving).
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bigiain 8y ago
I don't see that setup as anything out of the normal skill required of human drivers. Cars change lanes from in front of you all the time, sometimes because there's something stopped on the road in front of them. The test in only "rigged" in the way a unit test looking at a specific edge-case is "rigged". Yeah, it's not something that happens every day, but there's very few human driver who wouldn't have perfectly safely followed the Merc into the right hand lane and easily missed that inflatable car. Most of us would have noticed the stationary car in front of the car we were following, and quite likely had already changed lanes before the Merc did.
rhino369 8y ago
>In that case, I don't blame Telsa for crashing -- you literally are baiting it into the crash a la a bull with a flag. You make it follow one car, prevent it from changing lanes, and then have an obstacle parked in the middle of the lane. This situation is pretty common on the road. And a lot of humans who aren't paying attention get caught by it. But it's not impossible to avoid, you have to be watching ahead of the car in front of you. And if you can't see in front of the car in front of you, you gotta have a lot more space so you can break in tiime.
oldcynic 8y ago
You don't blame the Tesla? If I did that the police and my insurance would blame me. Regardless of if I were braking hard. I'd almost certainly end up with points on my licence if I survived.
pwinnski 8y ago
According to the NTSB, in the recent fatal case in which a Tesla drove directly into concrete on a highway, it was still accelerating at the moment of impact. This is a very serious and consistent issue for Tesla's so-called "autopilot," as the article highlights with links to a variety of recent cases.

cjhopman 8y ago

> In that video, does the Tesla try to brake, and brake hard? It's different takes edited together. Note the cameraman near the dummy car as the tesla approaches (you can see him and part of the video was shot by him). > In that case, I don't blame Telsa for crashing And in the case where it didn't brake? Would you blame Tesla then? Well... none of Tesla's driver assistance can handle that case, there's no way that they would brake. It will not brake for a stationary object (unless that object was previously moving).

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bigiain 8y ago

I don't see that setup as anything out of the normal skill required of human drivers. Cars change lanes from in front of you all the time, sometimes because there's something stopped on the road in front of them. The test in only "rigged" in the way a unit test looking at a specific edge-case is "rigged". Yeah, it's not something that happens every day, but there's very few human driver who wouldn't have perfectly safely followed the Merc into the right hand lane and easily missed that inflatable car. Most of us would have noticed the stationary car in front of the car we were following, and quite likely had already changed lanes before the Merc did.

rhino369 8y ago

>In that case, I don't blame Telsa for crashing -- you literally are baiting it into the crash a la a bull with a flag. You make it follow one car, prevent it from changing lanes, and then have an obstacle parked in the middle of the lane. This situation is pretty common on the road. And a lot of humans who aren't paying attention get caught by it. But it's not impossible to avoid, you have to be watching ahead of the car in front of you. And if you can't see in front of the car in front of you, you gotta have a lot more space so you can break in tiime.

oldcynic 8y ago

You don't blame the Tesla? If I did that the police and my insurance would blame me. Regardless of if I were braking hard. I'd almost certainly end up with points on my licence if I survived.

pwinnski 8y ago

According to the NTSB, in the recent fatal case in which a Tesla drove directly into concrete on a highway, it was still accelerating at the moment of impact. This is a very serious and consistent issue for Tesla's so-called "autopilot," as the article highlights with links to a variety of recent cases.