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I can understand Tesla's position in saying that the driver should still be aware of their surroundings. But. Avoiding stationary objects should be the first ob

I can understand Tesla's position in saying that the driver should still be aware of their surroundings. But. Avoiding stationary objects should be the first objective of a system like this in my opinion, especially if the object is directly in the projected path the vehicle is travelling in.

mirimir 8y ago
Sure, but such systems won't work at all if they don't ignore such stationary objects as bridge abutments. And they lack the angular resolution to determine whether stuff is directly ahead, or off to one side. Plus the fact that roads curve. Or, as in the Thatcham Research video, stuff that's hidden by a leading vehicle. I always make an effort to know what vehicles far ahead are doing. If necessary, I shift off lane occasionally to check for hidden stuff. And when I'm behind large vehicles, I don't follow so closely that I can't see what's ahead. But if you're going to do all that, why use Autopilot?
- quanticle 8y ago
  >But if you're going to do all that, why use Autopilot? What's the point of having a self-driving system that doesn't do all that? The entire point of self-driving systems is that they're safer because they can see farther, anticipate more, and react faster than any human. If they can't, what's the point? Why even offer Autopilot?
  - mirimir 8y ago
    That was basically my point. I've never even felt safe using cruise control.
- cjhopman 8y ago
  That's a limitation of Tesla's hardware (despite their, likely false, claims that their hardware is sufficient for self driving).
- Maybestring 8y ago
  >And they lack the angular resolution to determine whether stuff is directly ahead, or off to one side. Sounds like my Grandma. For her safety, and everyone else's, she doesn't drive any more.
  - mirimir 8y ago
    Sounds like me without my glasses. But then, I don't drive without my glasses.
- rhino369 8y ago
  >But if you're going to do all that, why use Autopilot? I don't under stand the value of Autopilot at all. What is the value in sitting there concentrating on driving without slightly the turning the wheel to stay in a lane. First, I think doing nothing but still being expected to pay attention is more annoying than having a role in driving. But even without that, whats so fucking hard about moving the wheel a little bit.
manicdee 8y ago
The only objective of Tesla Autopilot is Traffic Aware Cruise Control and lane keeping. That’s it. End of story. You are there to supervise operation and take action when TACC and LK are insufficient for the environment. Autopilot when used correctly can significantly reduce fatigue because you are not focussed on the minutiae of keeping pace with the car in front of you and keeping the car in the assigned lane. This frees your attention up for higher level operation such as observing the traffic further ahead, scanning for hazards, and enjoying the scenery to your left and right. Discerning stationary hazards from stationary scenery is not part of Autopilot’s feature set right now, that is your job as the operator.

mirimir 8y ago

Sure, but such systems won't work at all if they don't ignore such stationary objects as bridge abutments. And they lack the angular resolution to determine whether stuff is directly ahead, or off to one side. Plus the fact that roads curve. Or, as in the Thatcham Research video, stuff that's hidden by a leading vehicle. I always make an effort to know what vehicles far ahead are doing. If necessary, I shift off lane occasionally to check for hidden stuff. And when I'm behind large vehicles, I don't follow so closely that I can't see what's ahead. But if you're going to do all that, why use Autopilot?

quanticle 8y ago
>But if you're going to do all that, why use Autopilot? What's the point of having a self-driving system that doesn't do all that? The entire point of self-driving systems is that they're safer because they can see farther, anticipate more, and react faster than any human. If they can't, what's the point? Why even offer Autopilot?
- mirimir 8y ago
  That was basically my point. I've never even felt safe using cruise control.
cjhopman 8y ago
That's a limitation of Tesla's hardware (despite their, likely false, claims that their hardware is sufficient for self driving).
Maybestring 8y ago
>And they lack the angular resolution to determine whether stuff is directly ahead, or off to one side. Sounds like my Grandma. For her safety, and everyone else's, she doesn't drive any more.
- mirimir 8y ago
  Sounds like me without my glasses. But then, I don't drive without my glasses.
rhino369 8y ago
>But if you're going to do all that, why use Autopilot? I don't under stand the value of Autopilot at all. What is the value in sitting there concentrating on driving without slightly the turning the wheel to stay in a lane. First, I think doing nothing but still being expected to pay attention is more annoying than having a role in driving. But even without that, whats so fucking hard about moving the wheel a little bit.

manicdee 8y ago

The only objective of Tesla Autopilot is Traffic Aware Cruise Control and lane keeping. That’s it. End of story. You are there to supervise operation and take action when TACC and LK are insufficient for the environment. Autopilot when used correctly can significantly reduce fatigue because you are not focussed on the minutiae of keeping pace with the car in front of you and keeping the car in the assigned lane. This frees your attention up for higher level operation such as observing the traffic further ahead, scanning for hazards, and enjoying the scenery to your left and right. Discerning stationary hazards from stationary scenery is not part of Autopilot’s feature set right now, that is your job as the operator.