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> It makes sense since gender harassment can be an antecedent to sexual harassment. A lot of things can be antecedents to sexual harassment. This categorizati

> It makes sense since gender harassment can be an antecedent to sexual harassment. A lot of things can be antecedents to sexual harassment. This categorization obscures instead of illuminating. For example part of the findings for the study is transgender people are far more likely to face sexual harassment from staff. This sounds like normal harassment and highly unlikely to become sexual in nature. The approach you take to stopping this kind of harassment is unlikely to look anything like the approach you take to stop sexual exploitation.

ksk 8y ago
Okay, I agree with some of your vague points, but I don't see anything I can reply to. Hopefully your misunderstanding has been clarified now? - "these reports misuse language and terminology."
- sheepmullet 8y ago
  > Hopefully your misunderstanding has been clarified now? I would like to know the use cases to lumping them together in this study/report? From reading the nature article it doesn't seem like the point of the study was to support a lawsuit - so what purpose does using the legal definition have?
  - ksk 8y ago
    >so what purpose does using the legal definition have? Because that is the commonly understood definition? Both in the legal and academic world (I can find citations from 1995 but I bet it was used before that). As lay people we do get confused when we don't understand those terms. I know I did, which is why I looked it up.
    - sheepmullet 8y ago
      > Because that is the commonly understood definition? It didn't come from general use by the population. At some point academia decided to use a definition that deviated from the mainstream. Certain fields of academia have a long history of doing this and it has led to millions of average people being mis-informed. > As lay people we do get confused when we don't understand those terms. Yes even the well educated hn reader gets confused - and so how do we fix this? Either we have to fix academia or we have to fix reporting on academia. Especially because the majority of the population does not have the education or time necessary to properly investigate for themselves. Propaganda by any other name...
      - ksk 8y ago
        I've found that the average hn reader vastly overstretches their expertise. Its unfair to expect programmers to be subject matter experts in anything other than their own domain. I take most comments here on politics/science/economics/etc with a bit of humor. In this case, I don't think it's THAT complicated to explain what the term means to the average person. The definition of terms can sometimes be intuited, but intuition can be wrong and lay people should not necessarily be the arbiters of definitions of terms. My co-worker refers to their hard disk storage space as "computer RAM". We know what they meant as opposed to what they said and can work around it.

ksk 8y ago

Okay, I agree with some of your vague points, but I don't see anything I can reply to. Hopefully your misunderstanding has been clarified now? - "these reports misuse language and terminology."

sheepmullet 8y ago
> Hopefully your misunderstanding has been clarified now? I would like to know the use cases to lumping them together in this study/report? From reading the nature article it doesn't seem like the point of the study was to support a lawsuit - so what purpose does using the legal definition have?
- ksk 8y ago
  >so what purpose does using the legal definition have? Because that is the commonly understood definition? Both in the legal and academic world (I can find citations from 1995 but I bet it was used before that). As lay people we do get confused when we don't understand those terms. I know I did, which is why I looked it up.
  - sheepmullet 8y ago
    > Because that is the commonly understood definition? It didn't come from general use by the population. At some point academia decided to use a definition that deviated from the mainstream. Certain fields of academia have a long history of doing this and it has led to millions of average people being mis-informed. > As lay people we do get confused when we don't understand those terms. Yes even the well educated hn reader gets confused - and so how do we fix this? Either we have to fix academia or we have to fix reporting on academia. Especially because the majority of the population does not have the education or time necessary to properly investigate for themselves. Propaganda by any other name...
    - ksk 8y ago
      I've found that the average hn reader vastly overstretches their expertise. Its unfair to expect programmers to be subject matter experts in anything other than their own domain. I take most comments here on politics/science/economics/etc with a bit of humor. In this case, I don't think it's THAT complicated to explain what the term means to the average person. The definition of terms can sometimes be intuited, but intuition can be wrong and lay people should not necessarily be the arbiters of definitions of terms. My co-worker refers to their hard disk storage space as "computer RAM". We know what they meant as opposed to what they said and can work around it.