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An issue which wouldn't exist if Apple provided access for people with warrants.
by Veedrac 8y ago
An issue which wouldn't exist if Apple provided access for people with warrants.
- JumpCrisscross 8y ago> if Apple provided access for people with warrants Doesn't this face the TSA Master Key problem?
- Veedrac 8y agoNo, because Apple isn't incompetent, and is long-used to securely handling customer data.
- redial 8y agoThe "TSA Problem" is not that they master-key manufacturer is incompetent...quite the contrary.
- dane-pgp 8y agoAhem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud_leaks_of_celebrity_photos https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICloud_leaks_of_celebrity_phot...
- Veedrac 8y ago> access was later revealed to have been gained via targeted phishing attacks
- dane-pgp 8y agohttps://www.ibtimes.co.uk/icloud-accounts-risk-brute-force-attack-hacker-exploits-painfully-obvious-password-flaw-1481623 https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/icloud-accounts-risk-brute-force-a... "Last September, Apple said it had made changes to iCloud security and introduced a measure to stop software from making multiple automated guesses. While this is the case when trying to log in on a computer, unlimited guesses can be made using an iOS device, which is what this software pretends to be when accessing iCloud from a computer running it."
- slowmotiony 8y agoThat could have just been someone simply nicking Harvey Weinstein's phone. I don't buy the "we were all hacked at the same time by scary unknown exploit" story.
- jasonlotito 8y agoThis is incorrect. I've personally experience Apple leaking private data. They do well, but they aren't infallible.
- redial 8y agoApple is not the owner of the devices, they just manufacture them.
- q3k 8y agoWell then who is the owner? I certainly don't feel like I own my iPhone, I can't even run my own kernel on it!
- sbarker 8y agoFacts over feelings. I can’t (or should I say the bank can’t) install a kernel on my house... don’t they own it? Basing ownership on the ability to install a kernel seems like quite a few of my friends own nothing.
- q3k 8y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
- jmull 8y agoThe problem is, how do you build a back door that can only be used by people with valid (and just) warrants? You really can’t go down your line of argument without answering thar
- Veedrac 8y agoYou centralize ownership, the same way it has been done since the dawn of the internet. Even Intel can securely update your microcode.
- ska 8y agoExcept, since the dawn of the internet, this has never really worked without issues.
- Veedrac 8y agoI'm willing to bet that Apple can handle a single secure key in low-bandwidth interactions with law enforcement. This is not rocket science; it's not shared, it's not exposed to the web, it's not interacting with complex components. It's just a key.
- ska 8y agoIf only it were that simple, and Apple were the only ones to trust. History shows us that even the best intentioned key sharing is vulnerable.
- CydeWeys 8y agoThe technical aspects aren't the problem. The political and social aspects are. What does Apple do if they have this capability and China puts pressure on them to unencrypt some information on Chinese "dissidents"? China has incredible leverage over Apple, seeing as how all their devices are built there. Would Apple dare resist these requests from Chinese national law enforcement agencies? Better to not have this ability at all, and thus never be put into this precarious situation.
- s2g 8y agoOr fuck you, it's my phone.
- dwaite 8y agoWhat sort of warrant process would Apple need to allow for with say, the Chinese government wanting to pull information out of a foreign national's device who is visiting the country? Or for that matter, is not visiting the country? The problem is political, not technical. Apple can't be a fair intermediary for all the various governments and police departments of the world, so they use technology to cede control.