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Yes, exactly! Concisely put. That is my concern, supported by the StackOverflow survey results a few months ago

by ythn 8y ago

olavk 8y ago
You really really want to believe harassment is not real, but as TFA shows it is a very real problem. I don't know what survey you are referring to which apparently proves harassment is not real?
- mieseratte 8y ago
  > You really really want to believe harassment is not real Nothing about that implies that harassment is not real, but rather that some subset of claims are not actually harassment.
  - olavk 8y ago
    I'm sure you are right... but just for my curiosity can you provide a link to this mysterious survey? Apparently it was linked in a deleted comment.
    - mieseratte 8y ago
      I would if I could, but I'm not the one who had posted it. Just a casual HN pedant. Sorry!
      - olavk 8y ago
        So you have no idea if this alleged documentation even exist? But you still felt you needed to assert that those "not actual harassment" cases (e.g. women interpreting "lack of praise" as harassment etc.) do exist, and we need to be concerned about them. I am not surprised.
        mieseratte 8y ago
        > So you have no idea if this alleged documentation even exist? No, it exists and I saw the original link. I don't have it off-hand. > But you still felt you needed to assert that those "not actual harassment" cases (e.g. women interpreting "lack of praise" as harassment etc.) do exist, and we need to be concerned about them. 'ythn did not more than question the methodology of the study, and point out that for non-overt events, the underlying assumption that something was harassment may be incorrect, and was brigaded into oblivion for this. Something that was not mentioned, and is also a problem is intentionally false claims. Having been falsely accused of harassment in school, I know first hand it does occur and how damaging it can be. Unfortunately it is people like you with a scared cow and agenda who cannot stand someone not toeing the party line. You act as if all claims are legitimate and anyone who dares question the lynch mob is himself derided and attacked. Harassment is all too real, but we cannot lose sight of reality for a false utopia. Not all claims are rooted in fact, and some are actually meant to create harm.
        olavk 8y ago
        I just asked for a link to the Stack Overflow harassment survey in question because I was curious. To be honest I did have some doubt about the validity of the interpretation since the comment implied that users on Stack Overflow are anonymous, which is clearly not the case for everyone. So I suspected there was some misinterpretation in play. In any case I can't really have an informed opinion either way since this document remains elusive. > No, it exists and I saw the original link. Well I guess I have to take your word for it then. Apparently asking for the link rather than accepting the claims unquestioning means I am a brigadeering lynch mob scared cow with an agenda who cannot stand someone not toeing the party line? While referring to the claims without being able to provide a source is totally fine. I am prepared to apologize for assuming you hadn't actually read the alleged source. I do think it is fair to ask for a source though. Sorry to hear about the false allegations raised against you, hope you are better.

Yes, exactly! Concisely put. That is my concern, supported by the StackOverflow survey results a few months ago

by ythn 8y ago

Yes, exactly! Concisely put. That is my concern, supported by the StackOverflow survey results a few months ago

You really really want to believe harassment is not real, but as TFA shows it is a very real problem. I don't know what survey you are referring to which apparently proves harassment is not real?

mieseratte 8y ago
> You really really want to believe harassment is not real Nothing about that implies that harassment is not real, but rather that some subset of claims are not actually harassment.
- olavk 8y ago
  I'm sure you are right... but just for my curiosity can you provide a link to this mysterious survey? Apparently it was linked in a deleted comment.
  - mieseratte 8y ago
    I would if I could, but I'm not the one who had posted it. Just a casual HN pedant. Sorry!
    - olavk 8y ago
      So you have no idea if this alleged documentation even exist? But you still felt you needed to assert that those "not actual harassment" cases (e.g. women interpreting "lack of praise" as harassment etc.) do exist, and we need to be concerned about them. I am not surprised.
      - mieseratte 8y ago
        > So you have no idea if this alleged documentation even exist? No, it exists and I saw the original link. I don't have it off-hand. > But you still felt you needed to assert that those "not actual harassment" cases (e.g. women interpreting "lack of praise" as harassment etc.) do exist, and we need to be concerned about them. 'ythn did not more than question the methodology of the study, and point out that for non-overt events, the underlying assumption that something was harassment may be incorrect, and was brigaded into oblivion for this. Something that was not mentioned, and is also a problem is intentionally false claims. Having been falsely accused of harassment in school, I know first hand it does occur and how damaging it can be. Unfortunately it is people like you with a scared cow and agenda who cannot stand someone not toeing the party line. You act as if all claims are legitimate and anyone who dares question the lynch mob is himself derided and attacked. Harassment is all too real, but we cannot lose sight of reality for a false utopia. Not all claims are rooted in fact, and some are actually meant to create harm.
        olavk 8y ago
        I just asked for a link to the Stack Overflow harassment survey in question because I was curious. To be honest I did have some doubt about the validity of the interpretation since the comment implied that users on Stack Overflow are anonymous, which is clearly not the case for everyone. So I suspected there was some misinterpretation in play. In any case I can't really have an informed opinion either way since this document remains elusive. > No, it exists and I saw the original link. Well I guess I have to take your word for it then. Apparently asking for the link rather than accepting the claims unquestioning means I am a brigadeering lynch mob scared cow with an agenda who cannot stand someone not toeing the party line? While referring to the claims without being able to provide a source is totally fine. I am prepared to apologize for assuming you hadn't actually read the alleged source. I do think it is fair to ask for a source though. Sorry to hear about the false allegations raised against you, hope you are better.