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Apparently my original comment was flagged and removed (I don't know why - maybe a moderator can shed some light). It said: > I read an article (semi) recently
by ythn 8y ago
Apparently my original comment was flagged and removed (I don't know why - maybe a moderator can shed some light). It said:
> I read an article (semi) recently posted here where women and other minorities felt attacked on Stack Overflow because of their gender/color, even though they were (for all intents and purposes) anonymous! Could this be the case here as well - women interpreting something that's not sexual harassment as sexual harassment? I.e. if a professor criticizes a woman's paper, she might interpret that as an attack on her gender, even if it isn't:
> The most common type of sexual harassment is gender harassment, the report finds. Such behaviour conveys the impression that women do not belong in the workplace or do not merit respect — “the put-downs as opposed to the come-ons”, Johnson says
Is this self-reported harassment? If so, a "put-down" is highly subjective and the SO article shows that women and minorities can take extra offense where none was intended.
- mieseratte 8y agoIt sounds like you're suggesting folks reporting non-overt events as harassment are potentially falling victim to misattribution? That is, they're drawing the wrong conclusion for, say, a rebuke or lack of praise.
- ythn 8y agoYes, exactly! Concisely put. That is my concern, supported by the StackOverflow survey results a few months ago
- olavk 8y agoYou really really want to believe harassment is not real, but as TFA shows it is a very real problem. I don't know what survey you are referring to which apparently proves harassment is not real?
- mieseratte 8y ago> You really really want to believe harassment is not real Nothing about that implies that harassment is not real, but rather that some subset of claims are not actually harassment.
- olavk 8y agoI'm sure you are right... but just for my curiosity can you provide a link to this mysterious survey? Apparently it was linked in a deleted comment.
- mieseratte 8y agoI would if I could, but I'm not the one who had posted it. Just a casual HN pedant. Sorry!
- olavk 8y agoSo you have no idea if this alleged documentation even exist? But you still felt you needed to assert that those "not actual harassment" cases (e.g. women interpreting "lack of praise" as harassment etc.) do exist, and we need to be concerned about them. I am not surprised.
- mieseratte 8y ago> So you have no idea if this alleged documentation even exist? No, it exists and I saw the original link. I don't have it off-hand. > But you still felt you needed to assert that those "not actual harassment" cases (e.g. women interpreting "lack of praise" as harassment etc.) do exist, and we need to be concerned about them. 'ythn did not more than question the methodology of the study, and point out that for non-overt events, the underlying assumption that something was harassment may be incorrect, and was brigaded into oblivion for this. Something that was not mentioned, and is also a problem is intentionally false claims. Having been falsely accused of harassment in school, I know first hand it does occur and how damaging it can be. Unfortunately it is people like you with a scared cow and agenda who cannot stand someone not toeing the party line. You act as if all claims are legitimate and anyone who dares question the lynch mob is himself derided and attacked. Harassment is all too real, but we cannot lose sight of reality for a false utopia. Not all claims are rooted in fact, and some are actually meant to create harm.
- olavk 8y agoDo you have a link? People are not necessarily anonymous on SO, so harassment could be real.