> At any rate, at least it's not Pandas and matplotlib... There's a certain yin and yang to the space, isn't there? You get to choose between a hacky language

> At any rate, at least it's not Pandas and matplotlib... There's a certain yin and yang to the space, isn't there? You get to choose between a hacky language that has pretty good tooling built on top of it, or a pretty good language with hacky tooling built on top of it. I think that Python is probably winning because being a decent language gives you a decent escape hatch, whereas no amount of great libraries can save you from having to go through the bizarro language. That said, R may be bizarro, but at least, once you learn it, it's predictable. Whereas I'm not sure even Pandas really knows whether a given call to .loc will copy or refer to the original data.