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From what I remember, she slept with multiple reviewers, and the whole thing became public when her boyfriend at the time complained online about being cheated

by setr 8y ago

From what I remember, she slept with multiple reviewers, and the whole thing became public when her boyfriend at the time complained online about being cheated on; I also remember there being quite a bit of controversy over the general illegitimatecy of game reviews, and that both parties were attacking each other on totally different arguments. The pro-gamergates claiming it was about corruption of the industry, and the anti-gamergates claiming it was an attack on women in video games. Thats what I understood from my far-away vantage point, at least. But its difficult to imagine it was just the latter; there's not enough sexism in gaming for it to blow up so easily, I think. (She was hardly the first woman in gaming to operate unethically).

crooked-v 8y ago
> she slept with multiple reviewers That's a false accusation. What actually happened was that an angry ex-boyfriend accused her of sleeping with a gaming journalist to get positive reviews. No such positive reviews ever happened. The journalist in question made a single off-handed mention of one of her games (in a non-review context) before they'd ever actually met in person.
- hueving 8y ago
  >That's a false accusation. The phrase you're looking for is "unfounded accusation". Unless you are the woman in question or you were stalking her 24/7, you can't falsify it.
  - crooked-v 8y ago
    I am reasonably confident calling it flatly false at this point, given the absurd amount of fine-detail combing over of Zoe Quinn's life done by her harrassers that's still never come up with anything real to present.
  - makomk 8y ago
    It's neither of those things. It's not the accusation that was made at all; the original claim was that she slept with a reviewer who gave her game positive coverage. The entire gaming press debunked this based on the technicality that it wasn't actually a review, but that wasn't the claim that was going around. Supposedly they also weren't technically in that kind of relationship until shortly after the press coverage, but that went down less well as a counter-argument for obvious reasons. (This also wasn't the focus of the original blog post at all. To cut a decades-long story short, the reason that particular aspect caught people's attention was because there were a whole bunch of people who already very strongly distrusted the entire gaming press for reasons entirely unrelated to women. Then Reddit started shadowbanning anyone who mentioned the journo's name, hosters were pressured to shut down sites which covered it, the entire gaming press declared gamers as a whole misogynistic scum over it, and every escalation fanned the flames more in typical Streisand-effect fashion. In fact I don't think it was even mentioned in the blog at all, but I could be wrong.)
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- themaninthedark 8y ago
  It may have been before they met in person but they had been very friendly with each other. So much in fact that the journalist had beta tested the game for her and was put in the credits for doing so. https://www.mobygames.com/game/browser/depression-quest/credits https://www.mobygames.com/game/browser/depression-quest/cred...
vertex-four 8y ago
There is no evidence that anybody reviewed her after she slept with them, let alone that they were biased by it. Her boyfriend mentions multiple incidences of cheating in the post, but only one appears to be with a reviewer.
- kj01a 8y ago
  > no evidence that anybody reviewed her after she slept with them > one appears to be with a reviewer Wat
  - vertex-four 8y ago
    People can be video game reviewers without reviewing any specific video game.
    - kj01a 8y ago
      I'm sure that's exactly what happened, and Zoe Quinn would never lie, no sir.
- washadjeffmad 8y ago
  Since entertainment reviews across every industry have by and large become another component in whitewashed marketing, it's not really much of a distinction to make between tacit promotion by a reviewer and their review. When Weinstein told casting directors that actresses that rebuffed him were difficult to work with and promoted to films of those that didn't, I'm sure his biases weren't as transparent in light of his professional reputation. Was that not a breach of ethics on multiple fronts?
  - crooked-v 8y ago
    There was a single case of a journalist who mentioned one of Zoe Quinn's games in an article... before they had ever actually met. I fail to see the ethical breach there.
  - vertex-four 8y ago
PhasmaFelis 8y ago
I'm afraid you've been lied to. There's some details in my other post. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17306626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17306626
Frondo 8y ago
Whoever or however many people she's slept with is also very much between her and her partners -- bringing it out into the public is a boundary overstep and violation of her privacy. Slut-shaming is a bad thing and we would all do well to move past it asap.
- magduf 8y ago
  If she's sleeping around with people who have nothing to do with the gaming industry, then sure, it's irrelevant. If she's sleeping with game reviewers who then review her games, it looks like a quid pro quo situation. Of course, there doesn't seem to be any good evidence this actually happened from what I read, but if it were true, then it's not slut-shaming.

by setr 8y ago

crooked-v 8y ago

> she slept with multiple reviewers That's a false accusation. What actually happened was that an angry ex-boyfriend accused her of sleeping with a gaming journalist to get positive reviews. No such positive reviews ever happened. The journalist in question made a single off-handed mention of one of her games (in a non-review context) before they'd ever actually met in person.

hueving 8y ago
>That's a false accusation. The phrase you're looking for is "unfounded accusation". Unless you are the woman in question or you were stalking her 24/7, you can't falsify it.
- crooked-v 8y ago
  I am reasonably confident calling it flatly false at this point, given the absurd amount of fine-detail combing over of Zoe Quinn's life done by her harrassers that's still never come up with anything real to present.
- makomk 8y ago
  It's neither of those things. It's not the accusation that was made at all; the original claim was that she slept with a reviewer who gave her game positive coverage. The entire gaming press debunked this based on the technicality that it wasn't actually a review, but that wasn't the claim that was going around. Supposedly they also weren't technically in that kind of relationship until shortly after the press coverage, but that went down less well as a counter-argument for obvious reasons. (This also wasn't the focus of the original blog post at all. To cut a decades-long story short, the reason that particular aspect caught people's attention was because there were a whole bunch of people who already very strongly distrusted the entire gaming press for reasons entirely unrelated to women. Then Reddit started shadowbanning anyone who mentioned the journo's name, hosters were pressured to shut down sites which covered it, the entire gaming press declared gamers as a whole misogynistic scum over it, and every escalation fanned the flames more in typical Streisand-effect fashion. In fact I don't think it was even mentioned in the blog at all, but I could be wrong.)
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themaninthedark 8y ago
It may have been before they met in person but they had been very friendly with each other. So much in fact that the journalist had beta tested the game for her and was put in the credits for doing so. https://www.mobygames.com/game/browser/depression-quest/credits https://www.mobygames.com/game/browser/depression-quest/cred...

vertex-four 8y ago

There is no evidence that anybody reviewed her after she slept with them, let alone that they were biased by it. Her boyfriend mentions multiple incidences of cheating in the post, but only one appears to be with a reviewer.

kj01a 8y ago
> no evidence that anybody reviewed her after she slept with them > one appears to be with a reviewer Wat
- vertex-four 8y ago
  People can be video game reviewers without reviewing any specific video game.
  - kj01a 8y ago
    I'm sure that's exactly what happened, and Zoe Quinn would never lie, no sir.
washadjeffmad 8y ago
Since entertainment reviews across every industry have by and large become another component in whitewashed marketing, it's not really much of a distinction to make between tacit promotion by a reviewer and their review. When Weinstein told casting directors that actresses that rebuffed him were difficult to work with and promoted to films of those that didn't, I'm sure his biases weren't as transparent in light of his professional reputation. Was that not a breach of ethics on multiple fronts?
- crooked-v 8y ago
  There was a single case of a journalist who mentioned one of Zoe Quinn's games in an article... before they had ever actually met. I fail to see the ethical breach there.
- vertex-four 8y ago

PhasmaFelis 8y ago

I'm afraid you've been lied to. There's some details in my other post. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17306626 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17306626

Frondo 8y ago

Whoever or however many people she's slept with is also very much between her and her partners -- bringing it out into the public is a boundary overstep and violation of her privacy. Slut-shaming is a bad thing and we would all do well to move past it asap.

magduf 8y ago
If she's sleeping around with people who have nothing to do with the gaming industry, then sure, it's irrelevant. If she's sleeping with game reviewers who then review her games, it looks like a quid pro quo situation. Of course, there doesn't seem to be any good evidence this actually happened from what I read, but if it were true, then it's not slut-shaming.