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> Also, why is the solution 'women and minorities need to toughen up' (If that's not the intended reading of your comment, feel free to clarify)? That's not th
by ythn 8y ago
> Also, why is the solution 'women and minorities need to toughen up' (If that's not the intended reading of your comment, feel free to clarify)?
That's not the sole solution, no. But that's still part of the solution. If a woman or black man feels attacked for their gender/color even when anonymous... that means they've been conditioned to take offense by default and we need to figure out how to remove said conditioning as the default response.
My point is that getting negative feedback on an assignment, for example, is not necessarily sexual harassment. If the negative feedback specifically calls out gender, then yes, but I'm afraid a lot of these cases are just women being offended that they got negative feedback even if they would have gotten the same feedback had the assignment been submitted anonymously. Then again, I haven't read the publication.
- olavk 8y agoWhat are you referring to with the "even when anonymous" comment?
- ythn 8y agoApparently my original comment was flagged and removed (I don't know why - maybe a moderator can shed some light). It said: > I read an article (semi) recently posted here where women and other minorities felt attacked on Stack Overflow because of their gender/color, even though they were (for all intents and purposes) anonymous! Could this be the case here as well - women interpreting something that's not sexual harassment as sexual harassment? I.e. if a professor criticizes a woman's paper, she might interpret that as an attack on her gender, even if it isn't: > The most common type of sexual harassment is gender harassment, the report finds. Such behaviour conveys the impression that women do not belong in the workplace or do not merit respect — “the put-downs as opposed to the come-ons”, Johnson says Is this self-reported harassment? If so, a "put-down" is highly subjective and the SO article shows that women and minorities can take extra offense where none was intended.
- mieseratte 8y agoIt sounds like you're suggesting folks reporting non-overt events as harassment are potentially falling victim to misattribution? That is, they're drawing the wrong conclusion for, say, a rebuke or lack of praise.
- ythn 8y agoYes, exactly! Concisely put. That is my concern, supported by the StackOverflow survey results a few months ago
- olavk 8y agoYou really really want to believe harassment is not real, but as TFA shows it is a very real problem. I don't know what survey you are referring to which apparently proves harassment is not real?
- mieseratte 8y ago> You really really want to believe harassment is not real Nothing about that implies that harassment is not real, but rather that some subset of claims are not actually harassment.
- olavk 8y agoI'm sure you are right... but just for my curiosity can you provide a link to this mysterious survey? Apparently it was linked in a deleted comment.
- mieseratte 8y agoI would if I could, but I'm not the one who had posted it. Just a casual HN pedant. Sorry!
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- Afton 8y agoLet me repeat my question: """ The question is, why do you think they take 'extra offense'? What about the structure of their lives would train them to recognize offense? """