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In the Rosenhan experiment, the subjects faked the symptoms of psychosis until they were involuntarily committed. If you fake symptoms for an illness you can't

by kec 8y ago

In the Rosenhan experiment, the subjects faked the symptoms of psychosis until they were involuntarily committed. If you fake symptoms for an illness you can't be surprised that doctors assume you have that illness. This is a far cry away from seeking a professional's opinion in good faith. Telling people to avoid help citing Rosenhan is extremely irresponsible.

delbel 8y ago
unfortunately it wasn't that trivial. A second follow up experiment ruled the "faked symptoms" variable out, in my opinion truly exposing that the entire profession is subjective and not based on scientific fact finding evidence.
limeblack 8y ago
I agree the Rosenhan experiment is rather silly, but if you look at the placebo medication vs actual medication studies it does make you question the long term effectiveness of the drugs. There is more recent study done in 2007 with the same results but I can't find it right now. This is the 1967 one. Antipychotics really haven't changed as much as most people suggest. This NIMH study looked at one-year outcomes for 299 patients who had been treated either with neuroleptics or placebo upon their admission to a hospital, and was the first long-term study conducted by the NIMH. The researchers found that "patients who received placebo treatment in the drug study were less likely to be rehospitalized than those who received any of the three active phenothiazines (thioridazine (Mellaril), fluphenazine (Prolixin), chlorpromazine (Thorazine)." However, in spite of this finding, which the researchers wrote "was so unexpected," the NIMH investigators stated that they "were unprepared to recommend placebo as treatment of choice." In other words, the NIMH researchers decided they wouldn't develop treatment guidelines based on their own research, which found that placebo patients did better than the drug-treated patients. SEE PAGE 991. http://psychrights.org/research/digest/chronicity/comunityadjustment.pdf http://psychrights.org/research/digest/chronicity/comunityad...
- delbel 8y ago
  I don't know how those research findings got out. Somebody at the Ministry of Truth screwed up. Remember to take your Soma, and be well.

by kec 8y ago

delbel 8y ago

unfortunately it wasn't that trivial. A second follow up experiment ruled the "faked symptoms" variable out, in my opinion truly exposing that the entire profession is subjective and not based on scientific fact finding evidence.

limeblack 8y ago

I agree the Rosenhan experiment is rather silly, but if you look at the placebo medication vs actual medication studies it does make you question the long term effectiveness of the drugs. There is more recent study done in 2007 with the same results but I can't find it right now. This is the 1967 one. Antipychotics really haven't changed as much as most people suggest. This NIMH study looked at one-year outcomes for 299 patients who had been treated either with neuroleptics or placebo upon their admission to a hospital, and was the first long-term study conducted by the NIMH. The researchers found that "patients who received placebo treatment in the drug study were less likely to be rehospitalized than those who received any of the three active phenothiazines (thioridazine (Mellaril), fluphenazine (Prolixin), chlorpromazine (Thorazine)." However, in spite of this finding, which the researchers wrote "was so unexpected," the NIMH investigators stated that they "were unprepared to recommend placebo as treatment of choice." In other words, the NIMH researchers decided they wouldn't develop treatment guidelines based on their own research, which found that placebo patients did better than the drug-treated patients. SEE PAGE 991. http://psychrights.org/research/digest/chronicity/comunityadjustment.pdf http://psychrights.org/research/digest/chronicity/comunityad...

delbel 8y ago
I don't know how those research findings got out. Somebody at the Ministry of Truth screwed up. Remember to take your Soma, and be well.