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And the re-education camps in China. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/15/opinion/china-re-education-camps.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/15/opinion/china-r

• wallace_f 8y ago
  Of course we wouldn't mention CIA black sites, the possibility of more Abu Ghraibs, or even those in the US allowed to be beaten, killed or tortured at the hands of other prisoners, guards, or even police.
  • TimTheTinker 8y ago
    Communist dictators and other ideological authoritarians in political power (who demand assimilation) are orders of magnitude more murderous and deadly than US torture places, bad as those may be.
    • wallace_f 8y ago
      Yes that's absolutely true. We here in the US are nowhere near as bad as China or Russia, but we better keep an eye on it because we seem to be the exception--something special--in history.
      • DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago
        The US is pretty bad, if you consider all of the wars from Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Iraq, Afghanistan, all,of the CIA activities in South and Central America, the impact of drug prohibition, Racist policing and slavery and de facto slavery via prison labor (and the largest prison population). I think you could strangle a gnat on the different in ruined and lost lives between Russia, China, and America.
        • TimTheTinker 8y ago
          All that may be bad, but it doesn’t hold a candle to Mao Zedong (49-78 million civilians killed) and Josef Stalin (23 million civilians killed). Hitler himself ranks third behind those two, at 17 million civilians killed.
          • DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago
            Not as bad as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao... could the bar be any lower? If the only way you compare favorably is considering the greatest mass killers of the last century, that should tell you something.
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            • TimTheTinker 8y ago
              Well, to our shame we have killed 60 million unborn babies since 1973... so no we don’t compare favorably, not at all.
              • DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago
                Oh good, I was worried that this surreal conversation was missing the anti-abortion angle, but you totally brought it. Here’s a thought though, stop invading countries full of actual people and killing them before you worry about your foetus “kill count” ok? I listed Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Iraq, Afghanistan, all,of the CIA activities in South and Central America, the impact of drug prohibition, Racist policing and slavery and de facto slavery via prison labor (and the largest prison population)... and your concern is that women in your country aren’t sufficiently controlled on religious grounds? It feels like maybe your issue with communist regimes is that they’re not theocratic enough for your tastes. Because of course theocracies offer such an excellent quality of life. If you really want to make a difference, stop selling arms to the worst regimes, like Saudi Arabia. Leave women’s reproductive rights alone.
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    • forapurpose 8y ago
      > ideological authoritarians I wouldn't limit it to ideologues. Look at Mobutu, Suharto, and many other plain old right-wing authoritarians.