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Let's recall that there are people living these experiences and worse, right this moment, in Gulags in North Korea (and possibly other places I'm not thinking o

Let's recall that there are people living these experiences and worse, right this moment, in Gulags in North Korea (and possibly other places I'm not thinking of).

TimTheTinker 8y ago
Good reminder - thanks.
Muromec 8y ago
One doesn't need to go to NK for that. Modern Russian state still tortures political dissidents in prisons even now. Not in large-scale labor-camps, just because it is not that necessary. And they still send people to frozen shitholes to fuck them over. ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Sentsov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Sentsov
- helloindia 8y ago
  And the re-education camps in China. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/15/opinion/china-re-education-camps.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/15/opinion/china-re-educatio...
  - wallace_f 8y ago
    Of course we wouldn't mention CIA black sites, the possibility of more Abu Ghraibs, or even those in the US allowed to be beaten, killed or tortured at the hands of other prisoners, guards, or even police.
    - TimTheTinker 8y ago
      Communist dictators and other ideological authoritarians in political power (who demand assimilation) are orders of magnitude more murderous and deadly than US torture places, bad as those may be.
      - wallace_f 8y ago
        Yes that's absolutely true. We here in the US are nowhere near as bad as China or Russia, but we better keep an eye on it because we seem to be the exception--something special--in history.
        DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago
        The US is pretty bad, if you consider all of the wars from Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Iraq, Afghanistan, all,of the CIA activities in South and Central America, the impact of drug prohibition, Racist policing and slavery and de facto slavery via prison labor (and the largest prison population). I think you could strangle a gnat on the different in ruined and lost lives between Russia, China, and America.
        TimTheTinker 8y ago
        All that may be bad, but it doesn’t hold a candle to Mao Zedong (49-78 million civilians killed) and Josef Stalin (23 million civilians killed). Hitler himself ranks third behind those two, at 17 million civilians killed.
        DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago
        Not as bad as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao... could the bar be any lower? If the only way you compare favorably is considering the greatest mass killers of the last century, that should tell you something.
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        TimTheTinker 8y ago
        Well, to our shame we have killed 60 million unborn babies since 1973... so no we don’t compare favorably, not at all.
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Let's recall that there are people living these experiences and worse, right this moment, in Gulags in North Korea (and possibly other places I'm not thinking of).

TimTheTinker 8y ago

Good reminder - thanks.

Muromec 8y ago

One doesn't need to go to NK for that. Modern Russian state still tortures political dissidents in prisons even now. Not in large-scale labor-camps, just because it is not that necessary. And they still send people to frozen shitholes to fuck them over. ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Sentsov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oleg_Sentsov

helloindia 8y ago
And the re-education camps in China. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/15/opinion/china-re-education-camps.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/15/opinion/china-re-educatio...
- wallace_f 8y ago
  Of course we wouldn't mention CIA black sites, the possibility of more Abu Ghraibs, or even those in the US allowed to be beaten, killed or tortured at the hands of other prisoners, guards, or even police.
  - TimTheTinker 8y ago
    Communist dictators and other ideological authoritarians in political power (who demand assimilation) are orders of magnitude more murderous and deadly than US torture places, bad as those may be.
    - wallace_f 8y ago
      Yes that's absolutely true. We here in the US are nowhere near as bad as China or Russia, but we better keep an eye on it because we seem to be the exception--something special--in history.
      - DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago
        The US is pretty bad, if you consider all of the wars from Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Iraq, Afghanistan, all,of the CIA activities in South and Central America, the impact of drug prohibition, Racist policing and slavery and de facto slavery via prison labor (and the largest prison population). I think you could strangle a gnat on the different in ruined and lost lives between Russia, China, and America.
        TimTheTinker 8y ago
        All that may be bad, but it doesn’t hold a candle to Mao Zedong (49-78 million civilians killed) and Josef Stalin (23 million civilians killed). Hitler himself ranks third behind those two, at 17 million civilians killed.
        DmenshunlAnlsis 8y ago
        Not as bad as Hitler, Stalin, and Mao... could the bar be any lower? If the only way you compare favorably is considering the greatest mass killers of the last century, that should tell you something.
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        TimTheTinker 8y ago
        Well, to our shame we have killed 60 million unborn babies since 1973... so no we don’t compare favorably, not at all.

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