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Well, I hoped for an actual review. What I got was "The iPad Pro is always ready to go ... which is, like, totally amazing! Yeaas!" The most pro points he makes

Well, I hoped for an actual review. What I got was "The iPad Pro is always ready to go ... which is, like, totally amazing! Yeaas!" The most pro points he makes are based on features which are actually a normality. The whole thing is emotionally laden and he sounds like a typical fanboy. After reading this dripping wet review, I am now absolutely convinced that an iPad will never ever replace a computer. Because it is not a computer, but rather a consumer device, like a television set. People who think that an iPad replaced their actual computer laptop didn't know and still don't know at all what their laptop actually can do: being programmable.

skellera 8y ago
Or most people don’t require more than what an iPad can provide. It’s a mass market device and that’s fine. As you say, one would already know if they need a laptop over an iPad.
- dschuetz 8y ago
  Exactly the point why I've been asking myself: why oh why does Apple say "That huge thing, like, totally replaces the laptop!" Apple clearly has some outlandish understanding of what a computer is, no surprise. But let's stay honest, and don't put up sales pitches based on flat out lies.
  - abritinthebay 8y ago
    The reason they say that is, for the target market that they are aiming that message to, it can replace a laptop. It’s well aimed marketing.
  - pjmlp 8y ago
    Because a large set of the population only needs access to the Web, email and a few apps, nothing more.
  - dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
    It's a mixture of clever marketing and wishful thinking (the "tablet era" hasn't arrived after all, everybody is using notebooks for work). However, as others said, some people actually use iPads only. A good example is my mother. She was using it for a few months, but then the memory got filled up with photos and she asked for advice. I told her to back up the device using a computer. "I don't have one", she said. Then the battery started to degenerate and so on. It's clear to me you can use these tablets as simplified notebooks/PCs, but sooner rather than later you reach their limits, and at that point thing can get costly. I can get a 2TB HDD for my Mac Pro for 50€, good luck with that kind of storage on any kind of iPad.
    - dschuetz 8y ago
      You see, your mom doesn't compile software with basic toolchains that have existed since the beginning of the computer era. I'm OK with the fact that your mom, or anybody else's mom, or spouse, or sister uses an iPad now, instead of a fully featured computer. It's totally fine. They get everything they've ever needed, and more. But let's make it perfectly clear that an iPad cannot ever replace a laptop as a computer. Since most people don't see the difference, we need to point out that there this crucial fact. I've been trying to switch (I also own an ipad pro) and it just doens't work. Either you need a second computer nearby, or a solid internet connection and a server with the toolchains of your choice. Microsofts's Surface actually replaces a laptop without the need to point that out, where the iPad is falsely advertised as a replacement. Sorry, I cannot accept false advertising, nor is clever marketing an excuse. They need to point out facts instead of wishful thinking. I am using Apple products for specific purposes, but also other products of other vendors. Because all of them suck in very specific ways. Let's not pretend that Apple somehow is superior in marketing that it tries to sell a consumer product as a universal computer. Nope, Nuh-uh. Not buying it.
      - dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
        I agree with your sentiment but ultimately what I or you think is insignificant, what matters is that people buy the iPad Pro, try to switch as advertised, discover the shortcomings of the device and switch back. If it happened to my mother, it will definitely happen to other users who need much more than Facetime/Safari/Photos/Skype/Netflix.
graeme 8y ago
If I read the article correctly, I think they replaced their laptop, and kept their desktop workstation. Could have been a LOT clearer about that, but if so, it's a reasonable point. In my own workflow I've found I barely use a laptop anymore, it's been replaced by my ipad pro. However, I use a computer frequently. And that's where most of the work gets done. There are some who are ipad only. Federico Viticci and Myke Hurley from relay.fm do. The writing/podcast niche seems well suited for the ipad. (Though you can't forward delete. Even if you have a bluetooth keyboard with an fn key. This gaping oversite will likely prevent me from ever moving my writing to the ipad)
- acqq 8y ago
  The crucial lines are deep down: "I didn’t even want to use the Photos app to manage the photos, but you don’t have a choice. All externally-stored photos must be imported to the Photos app first." "I tapped to select and import the 2,500+ 42-megapixel RAW photos on that SD card. I quickly learned that you cannot do anything while importing photos. If you background the Photos app, the import pauses. Long story short, it was so extremely slow that I gave up after an hour or two. It wasn’t worth it for me." "For fun I decided to open some of the shots in the Lightroom CC app. I expected that the photos would just be there, ready to edit as they were already on the device. Unfortunately, there’s yet another step—I had to import the photos to the Lightroom app. And this is not a simple "add" type of import that just keeps the references to the files. I think it actually copies the files over again." He thought he'll do the photo editing, but the result is: "I still use Lightroom Classic CC on the desktop for all the heavy lifting and laborious editing, but also to import the photos and create my collections." The tied hands in working with photos is my biggest problem with all i-Devices. Apple doesn't want to let you manage your own photos: the photos you shoot with the iPhone, once copied out of it and deleted on it, can't be even copied back to have the same status like those never deleted. Unless you use their iCloud, buying the storage. So much for "Pro."
  - graeme 8y ago
    Does this fix any of it? https://m.dpreview.com/news/8289508592/apple-raw-photo-features-update-ios-12 https://m.dpreview.com/news/8289508592/apple-raw-photo-featu...

skellera 8y ago

Or most people don’t require more than what an iPad can provide. It’s a mass market device and that’s fine. As you say, one would already know if they need a laptop over an iPad.

dschuetz 8y ago
Exactly the point why I've been asking myself: why oh why does Apple say "That huge thing, like, totally replaces the laptop!" Apple clearly has some outlandish understanding of what a computer is, no surprise. But let's stay honest, and don't put up sales pitches based on flat out lies.
- abritinthebay 8y ago
  The reason they say that is, for the target market that they are aiming that message to, it can replace a laptop. It’s well aimed marketing.
- pjmlp 8y ago
  Because a large set of the population only needs access to the Web, email and a few apps, nothing more.
- dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
  It's a mixture of clever marketing and wishful thinking (the "tablet era" hasn't arrived after all, everybody is using notebooks for work). However, as others said, some people actually use iPads only. A good example is my mother. She was using it for a few months, but then the memory got filled up with photos and she asked for advice. I told her to back up the device using a computer. "I don't have one", she said. Then the battery started to degenerate and so on. It's clear to me you can use these tablets as simplified notebooks/PCs, but sooner rather than later you reach their limits, and at that point thing can get costly. I can get a 2TB HDD for my Mac Pro for 50€, good luck with that kind of storage on any kind of iPad.
  - dschuetz 8y ago
    You see, your mom doesn't compile software with basic toolchains that have existed since the beginning of the computer era. I'm OK with the fact that your mom, or anybody else's mom, or spouse, or sister uses an iPad now, instead of a fully featured computer. It's totally fine. They get everything they've ever needed, and more. But let's make it perfectly clear that an iPad cannot ever replace a laptop as a computer. Since most people don't see the difference, we need to point out that there this crucial fact. I've been trying to switch (I also own an ipad pro) and it just doens't work. Either you need a second computer nearby, or a solid internet connection and a server with the toolchains of your choice. Microsofts's Surface actually replaces a laptop without the need to point that out, where the iPad is falsely advertised as a replacement. Sorry, I cannot accept false advertising, nor is clever marketing an excuse. They need to point out facts instead of wishful thinking. I am using Apple products for specific purposes, but also other products of other vendors. Because all of them suck in very specific ways. Let's not pretend that Apple somehow is superior in marketing that it tries to sell a consumer product as a universal computer. Nope, Nuh-uh. Not buying it.
    - dvfjsdhgfv 8y ago
      I agree with your sentiment but ultimately what I or you think is insignificant, what matters is that people buy the iPad Pro, try to switch as advertised, discover the shortcomings of the device and switch back. If it happened to my mother, it will definitely happen to other users who need much more than Facetime/Safari/Photos/Skype/Netflix.

graeme 8y ago

If I read the article correctly, I think they replaced their laptop, and kept their desktop workstation. Could have been a LOT clearer about that, but if so, it's a reasonable point. In my own workflow I've found I barely use a laptop anymore, it's been replaced by my ipad pro. However, I use a computer frequently. And that's where most of the work gets done. There are some who are ipad only. Federico Viticci and Myke Hurley from relay.fm do. The writing/podcast niche seems well suited for the ipad. (Though you can't forward delete. Even if you have a bluetooth keyboard with an fn key. This gaping oversite will likely prevent me from ever moving my writing to the ipad)

acqq 8y ago
The crucial lines are deep down: "I didn’t even want to use the Photos app to manage the photos, but you don’t have a choice. All externally-stored photos must be imported to the Photos app first." "I tapped to select and import the 2,500+ 42-megapixel RAW photos on that SD card. I quickly learned that you cannot do anything while importing photos. If you background the Photos app, the import pauses. Long story short, it was so extremely slow that I gave up after an hour or two. It wasn’t worth it for me." "For fun I decided to open some of the shots in the Lightroom CC app. I expected that the photos would just be there, ready to edit as they were already on the device. Unfortunately, there’s yet another step—I had to import the photos to the Lightroom app. And this is not a simple "add" type of import that just keeps the references to the files. I think it actually copies the files over again." He thought he'll do the photo editing, but the result is: "I still use Lightroom Classic CC on the desktop for all the heavy lifting and laborious editing, but also to import the photos and create my collections." The tied hands in working with photos is my biggest problem with all i-Devices. Apple doesn't want to let you manage your own photos: the photos you shoot with the iPhone, once copied out of it and deleted on it, can't be even copied back to have the same status like those never deleted. Unless you use their iCloud, buying the storage. So much for "Pro."
- graeme 8y ago
  Does this fix any of it? https://m.dpreview.com/news/8289508592/apple-raw-photo-features-update-ios-12 https://m.dpreview.com/news/8289508592/apple-raw-photo-featu...