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Even if your numbers meant anything (they don't) what's your point? It's ok to discriminate against unhealthy people?

by workinthehead 8y ago

workinthehead 8y ago
Well that's cool, I guess HN isn't above some good old-fashioned fat-hate.
- komali2 8y ago
  Who's hating fat people? This is just reality - heavy people weigh more, the Segway motors can't handle the weight. Even if the motors could (they probably can), heavy people would use more battery. By the way, literally nobody said fat until you. We were talking about heavy people.
  - workinthehead 8y ago
    Oh, I'm sorry I interrupted your dog whistle. Don't be such a creep, you're not fooling anyone.
    - komali2 8y ago
      Would you like to take this to email and talk about it then? My email is publicly available in my profile.
      - workinthehead 8y ago
        Why, ashamed of your bigotry being public?
        komali2 8y ago
        I disagree that I'm being bigoted. That's an extremely strong accusation to lever, when you are the only person in this entire chain bringing up fat hate. You call it dog whistling, for some reason, when usually that term is used in an occasion to rile up bigotry. I'm actually just discussing the seemingly low weight restriction on the device. Weirdly, it as if I'm actually targeting low-weight restrictions as an issue, so you've gone and broadsided someone who might actually be an ally to your cause. And to what end? Clearly it has something to do with being seen doing it, as you rejected my offer to have a private conversation with another unsourced ad hominem. I took a look at your other comments, because I was curious about the sort of personality that red herrings an engineering discussion into a weird attack against an entire forum for the comments of about four people. I have seen you repeatedly post direct insults that add absolutely nothing to the discussion - calling people idiots, challenging someone's knowledge about computer functionality without any attempt to source your own argument about why they were supposedly wrong. What is the source of the vitriol? Do you feel hatred for this forum, and the people here? If so, why are you here? Why do you relentlessly violate the as-written etiquette of this forum? What's your objective? As before, I'm happy to talk about this over email or even over a beer if you'd like. I think we'll soon hit that comment depth limit that HN seems to have (but I can never sort when that (kicks in)
        workinthehead 8y ago
        Ok bucko- First of all, motors exist that can support more than 220 pounds, Mr. "Engineering Discussion". The conversation was absolutely not about engineering when I entered -- it was about how unhealthy anyone who weighed more than 220 pounds was -- implying they are not worth as much and/or don't deserve to have Segways. All of these sentiments were being upvoted, which means HN at large supports them. This is bigotry, and you are even now supporting and defending it. I'm not sure you understand how dog whistling works--the term isn't used to "rile up bigotry". In fact, it's used to call it out. You provided a classic example. You're more than happy to shit on "heavy" people, but you get upset when somebody exposes you as actually hating "fat" people. This is just like racists who openly hate on "immigrants" but will deny they have a problem with "mexicans" until they're blue in the face. I never called anyone an idiot; how dare you lie about me. As for "direct insults", I'm not doing anything the rest of HN doesn't already do. For example, StavrosK and the guy who doesn't seem to understand resource sharing are both obliquely implying I'm an idiot quite overtly; you seem A-OK with that. What's the source of the hypocrisy? Do you get something from bullying me, or have you somehow identified me as a low-status individual who it's ok to shit on? I'm not interested in talking to you any further, you seem to have some moral superiority complex that results in you doing logical backflips to justify your behavior and vilify mine. I guess I'm not part of the popular crowd here -- but I'm not violating the guidelines any more than anyone else and I don't appreciate your abuse.
        komali2 8y ago
        Anybody above 220lbs without the weight or muscle mass to justify it, i.e., has high bodyfat, is by definition unhealthy... That's... Biology lol. And yet even still I saw nothing supporting your claim that unhealthy people are less deserving. I think you're creating drama for no reason here. There was no bigotry. Nobody said overweight people don't deserve segways. Once again, we were commenting on how it was weird that Segway had such a low weight limit. Once again, you're attacking people that at some level were probably allies. I could have sworn I saw a comment where you used the word idiot, but maybe it's dead now? Maybe I never saw it. I'm happy to compile evidence of you being unnecessarily inflammatory though, because I think that's fun! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17298326 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17298326 A totally uncalled for and unsourced attack on someone's economic knowledge, presumably because you disagreed, and rather than spend the time illustrating why you disagree, you chose ad hominem, which is a logical fallacy. Luckily, hn called you on your bullshit and downvoted you. Thank God for self moderation. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17303263 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17303263 In which you call someone an asshole for attempting to connect your understanding with theirs. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17229419 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17229419 While the op wasn't exactly "nice" they were definitely polite. But unfortunately for them, that question was a challenge to your intellect, and therefore you decided to go with snark. Yup, some people weren't very kind to you, but I'm noticing a trend - it's two or three comments deep, after you've shown your colors. If someone came up to your friends while they were chatting at a bar, and said "ACHUALLY, THATS NOT HOW COMPUTERS WORK, SMART GUY!", I wonder what sort of attitude you would adopt as the conversation continued. I dont group people by some sort of status or moral tree - I think you're telling me you do, or perhaps victimize into some box of assuming everyone is as hateful as you seem to be? What's that about? If you want to talk about morality, we really should grab a drink, because that's my most favorite thing to talk about irl. Nobody has to be popular, but the "but BART SIMPSON DID IT!" defense is pretty childish. Why aren't you interested in talking to me any further? I'm having fun :)
- TomK32 8y ago
  it's only dwarfs who hate people above 220lbs and 6'3".

Even if your numbers meant anything (they don't) what's your point? It's ok to discriminate against unhealthy people?

workinthehead 8y ago

Well that's cool, I guess HN isn't above some good old-fashioned fat-hate.

komali2 8y ago
Who's hating fat people? This is just reality - heavy people weigh more, the Segway motors can't handle the weight. Even if the motors could (they probably can), heavy people would use more battery. By the way, literally nobody said fat until you. We were talking about heavy people.
- workinthehead 8y ago
  Oh, I'm sorry I interrupted your dog whistle. Don't be such a creep, you're not fooling anyone.
  - komali2 8y ago
    Would you like to take this to email and talk about it then? My email is publicly available in my profile.
    - workinthehead 8y ago
      Why, ashamed of your bigotry being public?
      - komali2 8y ago
        I disagree that I'm being bigoted. That's an extremely strong accusation to lever, when you are the only person in this entire chain bringing up fat hate. You call it dog whistling, for some reason, when usually that term is used in an occasion to rile up bigotry. I'm actually just discussing the seemingly low weight restriction on the device. Weirdly, it as if I'm actually targeting low-weight restrictions as an issue, so you've gone and broadsided someone who might actually be an ally to your cause. And to what end? Clearly it has something to do with being seen doing it, as you rejected my offer to have a private conversation with another unsourced ad hominem. I took a look at your other comments, because I was curious about the sort of personality that red herrings an engineering discussion into a weird attack against an entire forum for the comments of about four people. I have seen you repeatedly post direct insults that add absolutely nothing to the discussion - calling people idiots, challenging someone's knowledge about computer functionality without any attempt to source your own argument about why they were supposedly wrong. What is the source of the vitriol? Do you feel hatred for this forum, and the people here? If so, why are you here? Why do you relentlessly violate the as-written etiquette of this forum? What's your objective? As before, I'm happy to talk about this over email or even over a beer if you'd like. I think we'll soon hit that comment depth limit that HN seems to have (but I can never sort when that (kicks in)
        workinthehead 8y ago
        Ok bucko- First of all, motors exist that can support more than 220 pounds, Mr. "Engineering Discussion". The conversation was absolutely not about engineering when I entered -- it was about how unhealthy anyone who weighed more than 220 pounds was -- implying they are not worth as much and/or don't deserve to have Segways. All of these sentiments were being upvoted, which means HN at large supports them. This is bigotry, and you are even now supporting and defending it. I'm not sure you understand how dog whistling works--the term isn't used to "rile up bigotry". In fact, it's used to call it out. You provided a classic example. You're more than happy to shit on "heavy" people, but you get upset when somebody exposes you as actually hating "fat" people. This is just like racists who openly hate on "immigrants" but will deny they have a problem with "mexicans" until they're blue in the face. I never called anyone an idiot; how dare you lie about me. As for "direct insults", I'm not doing anything the rest of HN doesn't already do. For example, StavrosK and the guy who doesn't seem to understand resource sharing are both obliquely implying I'm an idiot quite overtly; you seem A-OK with that. What's the source of the hypocrisy? Do you get something from bullying me, or have you somehow identified me as a low-status individual who it's ok to shit on? I'm not interested in talking to you any further, you seem to have some moral superiority complex that results in you doing logical backflips to justify your behavior and vilify mine. I guess I'm not part of the popular crowd here -- but I'm not violating the guidelines any more than anyone else and I don't appreciate your abuse.
        komali2 8y ago
        Anybody above 220lbs without the weight or muscle mass to justify it, i.e., has high bodyfat, is by definition unhealthy... That's... Biology lol. And yet even still I saw nothing supporting your claim that unhealthy people are less deserving. I think you're creating drama for no reason here. There was no bigotry. Nobody said overweight people don't deserve segways. Once again, we were commenting on how it was weird that Segway had such a low weight limit. Once again, you're attacking people that at some level were probably allies. I could have sworn I saw a comment where you used the word idiot, but maybe it's dead now? Maybe I never saw it. I'm happy to compile evidence of you being unnecessarily inflammatory though, because I think that's fun! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17298326 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17298326 A totally uncalled for and unsourced attack on someone's economic knowledge, presumably because you disagreed, and rather than spend the time illustrating why you disagree, you chose ad hominem, which is a logical fallacy. Luckily, hn called you on your bullshit and downvoted you. Thank God for self moderation. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17303263 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17303263 In which you call someone an asshole for attempting to connect your understanding with theirs. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17229419 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17229419 While the op wasn't exactly "nice" they were definitely polite. But unfortunately for them, that question was a challenge to your intellect, and therefore you decided to go with snark. Yup, some people weren't very kind to you, but I'm noticing a trend - it's two or three comments deep, after you've shown your colors. If someone came up to your friends while they were chatting at a bar, and said "ACHUALLY, THATS NOT HOW COMPUTERS WORK, SMART GUY!", I wonder what sort of attitude you would adopt as the conversation continued. I dont group people by some sort of status or moral tree - I think you're telling me you do, or perhaps victimize into some box of assuming everyone is as hateful as you seem to be? What's that about? If you want to talk about morality, we really should grab a drink, because that's my most favorite thing to talk about irl. Nobody has to be popular, but the "but BART SIMPSON DID IT!" defense is pretty childish. Why aren't you interested in talking to me any further? I'm having fun :)
TomK32 8y ago
it's only dwarfs who hate people above 220lbs and 6'3".