That's not Shalamov's point though, which is what I'm trying to steer us back towards. I think it's fair to take from Shalamov's words that religion is getting

That's not Shalamov's point though, which is what I'm trying to steer us back towards. I think it's fair to take from Shalamov's words that religion is getting short shrift from secular society in the west today. But beyond that, I'm afraid our conversation is mostly descending into the typical culture war topics.