I think there is a growing apathy between undergraduates and there teachers: the students don't quite see the point of slavishly attending lectures when the sam

I think there is a growing apathy between undergraduates and there teachers: the students don't quite see the point of slavishly attending lectures when the same information is readily available online or in the library, while lectureres don't see why they should try harder to engage students when they constantly turn up late, don't pay attention, or skip classes entirely. I don't know if it's always been like this. My undergrad uni seemed to have recently added actual credit for mere attendance. One of the modules reportedly only had a tenth of the people show up (I didn't realise this cause I ditched it after the first two lecture which were exceptionally dull and unenthusiastic). My postgraduate class consisted of a room half full of foreign students who talked all lecture. I don't know if there's cynicism amng academics about their students, or some sort of undying optimism. I suspect they say "unbelievable now lazy they're getting, how lax the standards are, how ignorant..." when we're not there. And then there's the tutorials: 90% of the time they were a joke. Even the better ones where some active discussion transpired, I wasn't convinced of their actual value beyond entertainment.