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Nope, sorry, you said all and I know people who voted for Trump and they are the nicest most helpful people around. You are fear mongering all of them and need

Nope, sorry, you said all and I know people who voted for Trump and they are the nicest most helpful people around. You are fear mongering all of them and need the world edited so it doesn't offend you while not acknowledging that the vast array of media offends about 50% out of spite. I don't think you actually are listening to anyone else and certainly the complete shutdown comment comes not from the actual executive orders. Yeah, there is a problem marginalizing minorities in tech, but it is the fault of awful recruiting practices by the schools tech companies hire from to remain elite. I'm on a rez, and am a bit sick of being an "other".

ModernMech 8y ago
> I don't think you actually are listening to anyone else and certainly the complete shutdown comment comes not from the actual executive orders. That language is missing from the executive orders because it would be blatantly and gobsmackingly illegal. Trump went to Rudy Guliani and asked him to make the text of his Muslim ban decree pass legal muster. That's not according to the media, that's from Guliani's own mouth. So we've got a blatantly racist statement getting watered down to an obfuscated racist statement loosely predicated on national security reasoning and some vague call for extreme vetting and terrorist states.... but for those of us on the receiving end of such proclamations, we hear the message loud and clear. There are exactly 0 Muslims who heard his "Total and Complete Shutdown" proclamation and then saw the travel ban and thought "Phew, it turns out Trump isn't anti Muslim after all." No, they recognized that Trump couldn't get what he wanted 100%, but what he did get represented a personal attack on them based on their religion. That attack happened and it hurt people and families, and that doesn't change because he didn't include the phrase "complete shutdown" in the EO. And your Trump supporting friends may be the nicest people around according to you, but again, we hear the message loud and clear from Trump, and all we hear from Trump's base in opposition to Trump's blatant and sustained racism is hand wringing and capitulation. You included. "All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing". We need to start listening to our inspirational posters, because they hold more wisdom than the average American mind. And by the way, it's not fear mongering when you've personally experienced threatening behavior from people wearing symbols such as confederate flags, nazi swastikas, and more often as of late, red MAGA caps. And these symbols tend to come in clusters. They tend to co-mingle. Why is that? They're not exactly championing the flying spaghetti monster. Maybe it's because the symbols they champion each promise to systematically favor their race by erecting prejudiced power structures? Certainly true of the confederate flag. Certainly true of the Nazi swastika. You don't see how MAGA caps fall right in with a long line of racist symbology? Every day on the internet you can read a new tweet from a Trump supporter kindly suggesting all brown people to leave the country #MAGA. Please note again they're not attaching #FSM to their Tweet. They chose #MAGA. Why is that? Why are people who want all brown people to leave the country drawn to #MAGA. What does it represent to them? And not just one tweet, you could spend all day reading new tweets saying the same thing, day in and day out. Those attitudes are spilling over into real life. It is pervasive for some people. All day, every day. I would love to edit my world to remove that constant background drone of hate, but I can't do that. I can't have that because every time someone stands up, someone else tells them to sit down, and deal. What I can do is find little pockets of respite in this world where, I'm less likely to encounter such negativity, and call it out when I see it. Prolog technical documents are no place for riffs on political slogans and especially no place for what many people perceive as coded racist language. No one here is even arguing against those points -- instead the argument seems to revolve around whether or not MAGA is a racist phrase, which seems to sidestep the entire consideration that many people do in fact perceive it as a racist phrase.
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ModernMech 8y ago

> I don't think you actually are listening to anyone else and certainly the complete shutdown comment comes not from the actual executive orders. That language is missing from the executive orders because it would be blatantly and gobsmackingly illegal. Trump went to Rudy Guliani and asked him to make the text of his Muslim ban decree pass legal muster. That's not according to the media, that's from Guliani's own mouth. So we've got a blatantly racist statement getting watered down to an obfuscated racist statement loosely predicated on national security reasoning and some vague call for extreme vetting and terrorist states.... but for those of us on the receiving end of such proclamations, we hear the message loud and clear. There are exactly 0 Muslims who heard his "Total and Complete Shutdown" proclamation and then saw the travel ban and thought "Phew, it turns out Trump isn't anti Muslim after all." No, they recognized that Trump couldn't get what he wanted 100%, but what he did get represented a personal attack on them based on their religion. That attack happened and it hurt people and families, and that doesn't change because he didn't include the phrase "complete shutdown" in the EO. And your Trump supporting friends may be the nicest people around according to you, but again, we hear the message loud and clear from Trump, and all we hear from Trump's base in opposition to Trump's blatant and sustained racism is hand wringing and capitulation. You included. "All it takes for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing". We need to start listening to our inspirational posters, because they hold more wisdom than the average American mind. And by the way, it's not fear mongering when you've personally experienced threatening behavior from people wearing symbols such as confederate flags, nazi swastikas, and more often as of late, red MAGA caps. And these symbols tend to come in clusters. They tend to co-mingle. Why is that? They're not exactly championing the flying spaghetti monster. Maybe it's because the symbols they champion each promise to systematically favor their race by erecting prejudiced power structures? Certainly true of the confederate flag. Certainly true of the Nazi swastika. You don't see how MAGA caps fall right in with a long line of racist symbology? Every day on the internet you can read a new tweet from a Trump supporter kindly suggesting all brown people to leave the country #MAGA. Please note again they're not attaching #FSM to their Tweet. They chose #MAGA. Why is that? Why are people who want all brown people to leave the country drawn to #MAGA. What does it represent to them? And not just one tweet, you could spend all day reading new tweets saying the same thing, day in and day out. Those attitudes are spilling over into real life. It is pervasive for some people. All day, every day. I would love to edit my world to remove that constant background drone of hate, but I can't do that. I can't have that because every time someone stands up, someone else tells them to sit down, and deal. What I can do is find little pockets of respite in this world where, I'm less likely to encounter such negativity, and call it out when I see it. Prolog technical documents are no place for riffs on political slogans and especially no place for what many people perceive as coded racist language. No one here is even arguing against those points -- instead the argument seems to revolve around whether or not MAGA is a racist phrase, which seems to sidestep the entire consideration that many people do in fact perceive it as a racist phrase.

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