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They could easily remove it. It bothers me that the parent comment has been downvoted so heavily—"MAGA" does have racial overtones and probably doesn't belong

by panic 8y ago

They could easily remove it. It bothers me that the parent comment has been downvoted so heavily—"MAGA" does have racial overtones and probably doesn't belong in a technical document. I'm sure the author meant it as a joke (especially as a European who isn't familiar with American culture), but that doesn't invalidate the criticism.

porker 8y ago
I didn't know it had racial overtones. Here in the UK it's usually said with a sarcastic laugh when we want to mock Trump and hit him with a slogan we remember from the US presidential campaign. The inference being he's really not 'great' and he's devalued the USA by being its president. Good to know, I will avoid in future.
- ModernMech 8y ago
  We use it that way as well. As in: "Added $1T to the deficit and still no universal healthcare! #MAGA" But minorities in this country have to put up with being told to leave now on a regular basis. Hate crimes are on the rise. You're now labeled a racist for standing up to racism. Racists are emboldened and cite the President as the reason for their newfound brazenness. People who simply support the President want to pretend that it's just a slogan, but they're in company with very unsavory people (the KKK aren't Democrats) who use that slogan as a weapon every day. Every. Day. And so to expect to be free from that onslaught in a paper about Prolog I don't think is much to ask. But clearly this is still Trump's world.
protomyth 8y ago
It only has ‘racial overtones’ to people trying to disparage a little under half the country. The author should probably remove it, but the continued perverting of people’s arguments and slogans to make them appear racist is not helping anyone.
- ejstronge 8y ago
  I see what you're trying to say, but you're extending the OP's comment to address a point he's not making. If an individual has adopted a characteristic slogan, and that individual makes racist statements, then the slogan can reasonably said to be linked to racist ideas. Note that this analysis doesn't need to include any third parties.
  - protomyth 8y ago
    If an individual has adopted a characteristic slogan, and that individual makes racist statements, then the slogan can reasonably said to be linked to racist ideas. No, that is not a true statement since I can basically make it impossible to say anything by adopting that idea. Number two, your view of what is racist statements if you are talking about the President is skewed. Immigration is a hot button topic, but wanting to reign in immigration is not racist ask anyone fired because their company brought in H1B workers and they had to train them before hitting the road. Heck, the recent hubbub over calling MS-13 animals and then saying its racist shows how screwed these views are. The professor was obviously having some fun and its a great paper. Stop trying to make people feel bad because you are offended. I swear, people would claim, "I Like Ike" is racist if it was a 2016 campaign slogan.
    - ModernMech 8y ago
      The slogan was that of a campaign that was launched on the premise that most Mexicans coming to this country are rapists and murderers, and that by the law of large numbers some end up being good people. Immigration is a hot button issue, but the President has fanned those flames considerably since he came on the scene, and every colored person and minority in this country has felt it. Every KKK member if you ask them will tell you they feel emboldened and empowered by this President in large part due to his rhetoric. If you ask any of your friends of color, they'll tell you things are markedly different now, in large part due to the rhetoric of this President. MAGA is completely tied in with that rhetoric, because what does it imply. What exactly was proposed by the MAGA coalition? - Build a wall to keep out brown people - Prevent Muslims from entering the country - Judges of Mexican descent are unable to do their job because of their race - Inner cities are hellscapes that require law and order and perhaps the national guard to regain peace - Homosexuals don't deserve the same rights as the rest of us (ask any Trump supporter if they believe Trump believes in gay marriage and they will tell you no) - Women deserve to be mocked, disbelieved, assaulted, and their bodies controlled, and there are no repercussions for doing so. That's what MAGA represents to 50% of the population. So if you want to bring it up in your technical document as a little side quip, and not give a shit about what your readers think, more power to you. But as someone interested in Prolog and would like to see it have a renaissance, I was lost as a reader on the cover page. I don't want to be reminded about the guy at the grocery store telling me to get out of "His" country and go back to where I came from while reading technical documents. MAGA. > Heck, the recent hubbub over calling MS-13 animals and then saying its racist shows how screwed these views are. Strange how brown gang members are clearly, unequivocally all animals, but this President has to point out in a group of white torch-bearing khaki-clad Nazis there are still good people! I wonder how many white children in America are separated from their families and held in cages in windowless detention facilities in accordance with official DOJ policy.

by panic 8y ago

porker 8y ago

I didn't know it had racial overtones. Here in the UK it's usually said with a sarcastic laugh when we want to mock Trump and hit him with a slogan we remember from the US presidential campaign. The inference being he's really not 'great' and he's devalued the USA by being its president. Good to know, I will avoid in future.

ModernMech 8y ago
We use it that way as well. As in: "Added $1T to the deficit and still no universal healthcare! #MAGA" But minorities in this country have to put up with being told to leave now on a regular basis. Hate crimes are on the rise. You're now labeled a racist for standing up to racism. Racists are emboldened and cite the President as the reason for their newfound brazenness. People who simply support the President want to pretend that it's just a slogan, but they're in company with very unsavory people (the KKK aren't Democrats) who use that slogan as a weapon every day. Every. Day. And so to expect to be free from that onslaught in a paper about Prolog I don't think is much to ask. But clearly this is still Trump's world.

protomyth 8y ago

It only has ‘racial overtones’ to people trying to disparage a little under half the country. The author should probably remove it, but the continued perverting of people’s arguments and slogans to make them appear racist is not helping anyone.

ejstronge 8y ago
I see what you're trying to say, but you're extending the OP's comment to address a point he's not making. If an individual has adopted a characteristic slogan, and that individual makes racist statements, then the slogan can reasonably said to be linked to racist ideas. Note that this analysis doesn't need to include any third parties.
- protomyth 8y ago
  If an individual has adopted a characteristic slogan, and that individual makes racist statements, then the slogan can reasonably said to be linked to racist ideas. No, that is not a true statement since I can basically make it impossible to say anything by adopting that idea. Number two, your view of what is racist statements if you are talking about the President is skewed. Immigration is a hot button topic, but wanting to reign in immigration is not racist ask anyone fired because their company brought in H1B workers and they had to train them before hitting the road. Heck, the recent hubbub over calling MS-13 animals and then saying its racist shows how screwed these views are. The professor was obviously having some fun and its a great paper. Stop trying to make people feel bad because you are offended. I swear, people would claim, "I Like Ike" is racist if it was a 2016 campaign slogan.
  - ModernMech 8y ago
    The slogan was that of a campaign that was launched on the premise that most Mexicans coming to this country are rapists and murderers, and that by the law of large numbers some end up being good people. Immigration is a hot button issue, but the President has fanned those flames considerably since he came on the scene, and every colored person and minority in this country has felt it. Every KKK member if you ask them will tell you they feel emboldened and empowered by this President in large part due to his rhetoric. If you ask any of your friends of color, they'll tell you things are markedly different now, in large part due to the rhetoric of this President. MAGA is completely tied in with that rhetoric, because what does it imply. What exactly was proposed by the MAGA coalition? - Build a wall to keep out brown people - Prevent Muslims from entering the country - Judges of Mexican descent are unable to do their job because of their race - Inner cities are hellscapes that require law and order and perhaps the national guard to regain peace - Homosexuals don't deserve the same rights as the rest of us (ask any Trump supporter if they believe Trump believes in gay marriage and they will tell you no) - Women deserve to be mocked, disbelieved, assaulted, and their bodies controlled, and there are no repercussions for doing so. That's what MAGA represents to 50% of the population. So if you want to bring it up in your technical document as a little side quip, and not give a shit about what your readers think, more power to you. But as someone interested in Prolog and would like to see it have a renaissance, I was lost as a reader on the cover page. I don't want to be reminded about the guy at the grocery store telling me to get out of "His" country and go back to where I came from while reading technical documents. MAGA. > Heck, the recent hubbub over calling MS-13 animals and then saying its racist shows how screwed these views are. Strange how brown gang members are clearly, unequivocally all animals, but this President has to point out in a group of white torch-bearing khaki-clad Nazis there are still good people! I wonder how many white children in America are separated from their families and held in cages in windowless detention facilities in accordance with official DOJ policy.