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REST was Roy Fielding but I agree. Much like the concept of Apache Cordova, the best jquery would be no jquery at all.

gkoberger 8y ago
John didn't invent REST (nor AJAX), however jQuery made it feasible and easy for people to use. Yes, you're right, the best jQuery would be no jQuery. jQuery was basically a prototype for the next generation of browser features.
- benatkin 8y ago
  It didn't encourage REST either. It provided $.post but not $.del (since delete is a keyword in JavaScript) so one could even say it went against REST. I think it was orthogonal to REST, though. Here's the docs for jQuery 1.3 from when REST was starting to take off, with jQuery.post but no delete method: https://api.jquery.com/category/ajax/shorthand-methods/ https://api.jquery.com/category/ajax/shorthand-methods/
  - anothergoogler 8y ago
    REST had taken off before jQuery existed.
  - abritinthebay 8y ago
    It provided $.ajax({method: “DELETE”}) however... so...
    - anothergoogler 8y ago
      Making a DELETE XHR was never the issue, browser support was. It's an issue that was impossible to paper over with a JS library alone, you needed backend integration. That's why Rails and similar frameworks at the time spoofed DELETE and PUT requests by creating a POST request with a special param set.
      - benatkin 8y ago
        It was also an issue on backends. Backbone had an emulateHTTP option: http://backbonejs.org/#Sync-emulateHTTP http://backbonejs.org/#Sync-emulateHTTP
      - abritinthebay 8y ago
        All browsers supported the verbs for years. IE7 had mostly full support (not PATCH though, annoyingly). The problem was mostly backend related: most servers didn't support them. DELETE for example has been supported for over 12 years in all major browsers.
        anothergoogler 8y ago
        Ah, interesting, my memory is dusty. Now that I think about it, the limitations of <FORM> were front and center too: A Rails app wanted a "delete $X" page that didn't rely on JS, and the only way that was going to happen was with a <FORM>, which only supports GET and POST methods.
        abritinthebay 8y ago
        Ah well yes. That’s quite intentional of course but yeah, an architectural limitation of that Rails app. Of course until ~v3 Rails didn’t fully support all verbs so...

John didn't invent REST (nor AJAX), however jQuery made it feasible and easy for people to use. Yes, you're right, the best jQuery would be no jQuery. jQuery was basically a prototype for the next generation of browser features.

benatkin 8y ago
It didn't encourage REST either. It provided $.post but not $.del (since delete is a keyword in JavaScript) so one could even say it went against REST. I think it was orthogonal to REST, though. Here's the docs for jQuery 1.3 from when REST was starting to take off, with jQuery.post but no delete method: https://api.jquery.com/category/ajax/shorthand-methods/ https://api.jquery.com/category/ajax/shorthand-methods/
- anothergoogler 8y ago
  REST had taken off before jQuery existed.
- abritinthebay 8y ago
  It provided $.ajax({method: “DELETE”}) however... so...
  - anothergoogler 8y ago
    Making a DELETE XHR was never the issue, browser support was. It's an issue that was impossible to paper over with a JS library alone, you needed backend integration. That's why Rails and similar frameworks at the time spoofed DELETE and PUT requests by creating a POST request with a special param set.
    - benatkin 8y ago
      It was also an issue on backends. Backbone had an emulateHTTP option: http://backbonejs.org/#Sync-emulateHTTP http://backbonejs.org/#Sync-emulateHTTP
    - abritinthebay 8y ago
      All browsers supported the verbs for years. IE7 had mostly full support (not PATCH though, annoyingly). The problem was mostly backend related: most servers didn't support them. DELETE for example has been supported for over 12 years in all major browsers.
      - anothergoogler 8y ago
        Ah, interesting, my memory is dusty. Now that I think about it, the limitations of <FORM> were front and center too: A Rails app wanted a "delete $X" page that didn't rely on JS, and the only way that was going to happen was with a <FORM>, which only supports GET and POST methods.
        abritinthebay 8y ago
        Ah well yes. That’s quite intentional of course but yeah, an architectural limitation of that Rails app. Of course until ~v3 Rails didn’t fully support all verbs so...