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I am not sure why you are downvoted. The article even touched on this, marriage was viewed as some type of pseudo-slavery with the man having ownership over the

I am not sure why you are downvoted. The article even touched on this, marriage was viewed as some type of pseudo-slavery with the man having ownership over the woman in the 1700-1800s. Divorce laws reflect women traditionally not having any means of financing their own lives and being dependent on men especially since the article notes they could not gain higher education even after some jobs opened up to women so would they divorce they would be stuck with very slim financial options (i.e. low paying non-career positions viewed as feminine) It did note however that men used to get ownership of the children in the event of a divorce. I do not know when that changed because I have seen stats that show women are more likely to get the children today.

matte_black 8y ago
I’m not sure why I was downvoted either, but perhaps it’s because people believe women really are more disadvantaged after a divorce. The modern woman is more than capable of taking care of herself, even if salaries are not totally equal for both genders yet in all industries. Yet from what I’ve seen in most cases, if there are any children involved in a marriage, the woman will get them AND the house in a divorce. The man will be on his own, possibly paying a hefty child support.
- DoreenMichele 8y ago
  I didn't down vote you. I did consider it. My suspicion is you were likely down voted by someone with strong feelings to the contrary who sees no point in arguing it given your stated position and the fact that this is an overwhelmingly male forum. I post as openly female. I try to be really evenhanded. But I have been here nearly 9 years and have been trying to figure out how to make money online during that time. I know people who made good money because of connections made through HN and that has not worked for me. It is clear to me that my gender is a large factor in that. It's pretty offensive to me to read that you want to protect the wealth of men on the grounds that "women can support themselves" while acknowledging women generally make less and simultaneously decrying the imposition of needing to pay child support. I'm not really interested in debating this with you or anyone. I remain appalled that I could spend so much time here while homeless and struggling to eat while men here poo poo the idea that sexism is any kind of real financial burden for women. I appear to be the only woman to have ever spent time on the leaderboard of HN (under a different handle). That's one woman out of quite a lot more than 100 people over the years given that names on the board come and go. I like HN. I have a lot of good things to say about it. But comments like yours still leave me shaking my head and astonished at the blindness that can be found in such a generally intelligent, well educated etc crowd.
  - matte_black 8y ago
    I don’t think your gender plays as large of a factor as you think. I think most people do not make any sort of money or connections through HN, even if they are plain straight white males. The ones that have made fortunes off of here could probably do it through any other place just as easily. Hell, some days I feel like I can’t even get a word in, and I’m the epitome of a Silicon Valley straight white male.
    - DoreenMichele 8y ago
      I replied to give my opinion as to why you were down voted. Your response is to be essentially personally dismissive of me. Meanwhile, I am currently downvoted to zero and pretty much expecting to be ROFLstomped for daring to say anything. I will reiterate that this is exactly why I think you were down voted: someone disagrees with you, doesn't care to engage you in discussion about it and doesn't care to deal with the fallout from voicing disagreement in an overwhelmingly male forum that will generally be sympathetic to your concerns. If sexism is not an issue here, where are the other 16+ openly female members of the leaderboard? Piss on me as an individual all you like, but the data does not support an assertion that gender is irrelevant on HN.
      - inteleng 8y ago
        There are probably not many women here because it's not fun to be on a forum full of finance-obsessed manchildren and brogrammers unless you are one or identify as one. The actual benefits from being on HN are basically null, yet most men who use it think it'll improve their careers. It won't, but it helps sama and paul graham.
  - dhimes 8y ago
    If it makes you feel any better I'm male, have been here roughly as long as you, and have yet to find a reliable way to make money online either. But I think I might be getting closer.
  - CryoLogic 8y ago
    I do not believe that a significant portion of the population on HN makes their money online. I believe remote work is an extremely small percentage of workers, regardless of gender. The HN forums are mostly for discussion of the tech industry and emerging tech/trends. Job hunting is very secondary here. Women in America most definitely can support themselves easily. We are a top country for gender equality. Even with a small pay gap, women can still support themselves here. BLS has a lot of informative data on women in the workforce for those interested. So to summarize, yes - women can support themselves without a man in the USA today. Which I think was the poster's point.
Gibbon1 8y ago
I think the US switched to giving women custody in the 1920's. Since the 1980's California now fairly strongly pushes joint custody.

matte_black 8y ago

I’m not sure why I was downvoted either, but perhaps it’s because people believe women really are more disadvantaged after a divorce. The modern woman is more than capable of taking care of herself, even if salaries are not totally equal for both genders yet in all industries. Yet from what I’ve seen in most cases, if there are any children involved in a marriage, the woman will get them AND the house in a divorce. The man will be on his own, possibly paying a hefty child support.

DoreenMichele 8y ago
I didn't down vote you. I did consider it. My suspicion is you were likely down voted by someone with strong feelings to the contrary who sees no point in arguing it given your stated position and the fact that this is an overwhelmingly male forum. I post as openly female. I try to be really evenhanded. But I have been here nearly 9 years and have been trying to figure out how to make money online during that time. I know people who made good money because of connections made through HN and that has not worked for me. It is clear to me that my gender is a large factor in that. It's pretty offensive to me to read that you want to protect the wealth of men on the grounds that "women can support themselves" while acknowledging women generally make less and simultaneously decrying the imposition of needing to pay child support. I'm not really interested in debating this with you or anyone. I remain appalled that I could spend so much time here while homeless and struggling to eat while men here poo poo the idea that sexism is any kind of real financial burden for women. I appear to be the only woman to have ever spent time on the leaderboard of HN (under a different handle). That's one woman out of quite a lot more than 100 people over the years given that names on the board come and go. I like HN. I have a lot of good things to say about it. But comments like yours still leave me shaking my head and astonished at the blindness that can be found in such a generally intelligent, well educated etc crowd.
- matte_black 8y ago
  I don’t think your gender plays as large of a factor as you think. I think most people do not make any sort of money or connections through HN, even if they are plain straight white males. The ones that have made fortunes off of here could probably do it through any other place just as easily. Hell, some days I feel like I can’t even get a word in, and I’m the epitome of a Silicon Valley straight white male.
  - DoreenMichele 8y ago
    I replied to give my opinion as to why you were down voted. Your response is to be essentially personally dismissive of me. Meanwhile, I am currently downvoted to zero and pretty much expecting to be ROFLstomped for daring to say anything. I will reiterate that this is exactly why I think you were down voted: someone disagrees with you, doesn't care to engage you in discussion about it and doesn't care to deal with the fallout from voicing disagreement in an overwhelmingly male forum that will generally be sympathetic to your concerns. If sexism is not an issue here, where are the other 16+ openly female members of the leaderboard? Piss on me as an individual all you like, but the data does not support an assertion that gender is irrelevant on HN.
    - inteleng 8y ago
      There are probably not many women here because it's not fun to be on a forum full of finance-obsessed manchildren and brogrammers unless you are one or identify as one. The actual benefits from being on HN are basically null, yet most men who use it think it'll improve their careers. It won't, but it helps sama and paul graham.
- dhimes 8y ago
  If it makes you feel any better I'm male, have been here roughly as long as you, and have yet to find a reliable way to make money online either. But I think I might be getting closer.
- CryoLogic 8y ago
  I do not believe that a significant portion of the population on HN makes their money online. I believe remote work is an extremely small percentage of workers, regardless of gender. The HN forums are mostly for discussion of the tech industry and emerging tech/trends. Job hunting is very secondary here. Women in America most definitely can support themselves easily. We are a top country for gender equality. Even with a small pay gap, women can still support themselves here. BLS has a lot of informative data on women in the workforce for those interested. So to summarize, yes - women can support themselves without a man in the USA today. Which I think was the poster's point.

Gibbon1 8y ago

I think the US switched to giving women custody in the 1920's. Since the 1980's California now fairly strongly pushes joint custody.