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> If I were building an engineering org today I'd either go remote-only There's a reason why so few startups go the remote-only route. How many remote-only sta

> If I were building an engineering org today I'd either go remote-only There's a reason why so few startups go the remote-only route. How many remote-only startups ended up a success? I can't recall a single remote-only unicorn, for example. > For recruiting, warm up a pipeline of talented engineering managers outside the tiny handful of overheated areas in the US. Finding good engineering talent anywhere is hard. You're supposing you can find them in various foreign, remote countries you don't know. It's not that simple.

coaxial 8y ago
> How many remote-only startups ended up a success? I can't recall a single remote-only unicorn, for example. What's the ratio of remote only companies to not remote? A fraction of a tiny number will be tiny.
nieksand 8y ago
The sample size isn't even close to big enough to draw meaningful conclusions. The number of VC backed startups that succeed is tiny even in the general population. It helps that there are now examples like Gitlab, but ultimately the default option is still hiring local with butts-in-seats. As with most things, there are many followers and very few leaders. However, I think economics will increasingly drive the adoption. The price of both devs and real estate is overwhelming in the major US startup hubs. And while finding great talent is always hard, the difficulty still varies drastically by region. Eight years ago Seattle was a sweet spot with an abundance of great talent priced significantly below the bay area. Seattle's upside has since diminished as everyone and their grandmother set up engineering centers in the area, creating strong competition for talent. Two years ago, I found hiring a solid team in Tel Aviv to be significantly easier than Seattle of the same time period. One of the nasty barriers to going remote-only is legal. Even if you limit scope to the US, each state you hire in potentially establishes a legal nexus, exposing you to yet another set of tax and employment laws. One way companies attempt to work around this is through contractor relationships, but at both the IRS and state level that doesn't always hold up to scrutiny. If you go overseas, you also get the accounting headaches of apportioning cost-transfers to the subsidiaries and HR headaches of getting benefits and payroll setup. But the legal, accounting, HR, and even key-hire pipelines are all things YC can help with given their scale and personal networks.
citilife 8y ago
There's Automattic (creator of wordpress): http://time.com/88025/wordpress-parent-automattic-joins-the-billion-dollar-club/ http://time.com/88025/wordpress-parent-automattic-joins-the-... There's also companies like Craigslist who has ~50 employees, but is another billion dollar company: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2017/05/03/how-does-craigslist-make-money/#29feb63327b1 https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2017/05/03/how-does-cra... Even if it's not remote, it's small enough to basically be fine in the bay area because finding 50 engineers to manage html webpages is relatively cheap.
nawitus 8y ago
There's the problem with the sample size, but Twitter for example outsourced some early development to Eastern Europe.

coaxial 8y ago

> How many remote-only startups ended up a success? I can't recall a single remote-only unicorn, for example. What's the ratio of remote only companies to not remote? A fraction of a tiny number will be tiny.

nieksand 8y ago

The sample size isn't even close to big enough to draw meaningful conclusions. The number of VC backed startups that succeed is tiny even in the general population. It helps that there are now examples like Gitlab, but ultimately the default option is still hiring local with butts-in-seats. As with most things, there are many followers and very few leaders. However, I think economics will increasingly drive the adoption. The price of both devs and real estate is overwhelming in the major US startup hubs. And while finding great talent is always hard, the difficulty still varies drastically by region. Eight years ago Seattle was a sweet spot with an abundance of great talent priced significantly below the bay area. Seattle's upside has since diminished as everyone and their grandmother set up engineering centers in the area, creating strong competition for talent. Two years ago, I found hiring a solid team in Tel Aviv to be significantly easier than Seattle of the same time period. One of the nasty barriers to going remote-only is legal. Even if you limit scope to the US, each state you hire in potentially establishes a legal nexus, exposing you to yet another set of tax and employment laws. One way companies attempt to work around this is through contractor relationships, but at both the IRS and state level that doesn't always hold up to scrutiny. If you go overseas, you also get the accounting headaches of apportioning cost-transfers to the subsidiaries and HR headaches of getting benefits and payroll setup. But the legal, accounting, HR, and even key-hire pipelines are all things YC can help with given their scale and personal networks.

citilife 8y ago

There's Automattic (creator of wordpress): http://time.com/88025/wordpress-parent-automattic-joins-the-billion-dollar-club/ http://time.com/88025/wordpress-parent-automattic-joins-the-... There's also companies like Craigslist who has ~50 employees, but is another billion dollar company: https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2017/05/03/how-does-craigslist-make-money/#29feb63327b1 https://www.forbes.com/sites/ryanmac/2017/05/03/how-does-cra... Even if it's not remote, it's small enough to basically be fine in the bay area because finding 50 engineers to manage html webpages is relatively cheap.

nawitus 8y ago

There's the problem with the sample size, but Twitter for example outsourced some early development to Eastern Europe.