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CCW

by kyleblarson 8y ago

CCW

ddtaylor 8y ago
I'm a newb what does it stand for?
- danielvf 8y ago
  CCW means Concealed Carry Permit, in the US Southeast. I’m assuming the poster was recommending legaly carrying a firearm when working alone in the streets at night.
  - Retric 8y ago
    That seems like it would reduce your odds of getting robbed, but increase your odds of being shot. I am not sure if that's a great trade-off, but worth considering.
    - ggg9990 8y ago
      You’re looking at it the wrong way. For the target market, getting into a gunfight is the desired outcome. Blasting the brains out of a “thug” without having to go to jail for it is the aspiration. Getting shot and killed is a possibility but that’s why they train all weekend at the range.
      - optimuspaul 8y ago
        That's an angle I'd hadn't considered. So if we give the gun nuts their guns and the criminals guns and I just stay inside for a few years this gun problem could just work itself out.
        ggg9990 8y ago
        No, because the gun nuts and the criminals reproduce at faster rates than the rest of the population.
      - okmokmz 8y ago
        >For the target market, getting into a gunfight is the desired outcome. Blasting the brains out of a “thug” without having to go to jail for it is the aspiration. It sounds like you likely have no firearm experience or friends/family who carry concealed. No one I know with a concealed carry permit hopes to have to use their firearm for self defense. Just like with other groups that carry firearms (police/military) there will be outliers who, as you say, aspire to shoot someone and make the rest look bad. However, the majority of people who carry concealed are certainly not running around trying to find someone to shoot. My grandfather has carried a concealed firearm his entire life and never has never drawn or fired in a self defense situation
        HarryHirsch 8y ago
        Heh. The guy from Slate Star Codex introduced a value for "Southernness" when he tried to model firearm deaths. So it would be interesting to hear where parent and grandparent poster are from. Atlanta is, of course, in the South.
        danielvf 8y ago
        I dug that article up - really interesting read, and seems pretty accurate. (Warning: long) http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/01/06/guns-and-states/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/01/06/guns-and-states/
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        kyleblarson 8y ago
        This is correct. De-escalation is a major part of most CCW courses, and additionally many states have duty to retreat laws on the books. But it's much easier to hyperbolically mislabel a predominantly law abiding group of citizens than to address one's own ignorance.
      - ddtaylor 8y ago
        I don't think it's fair to brand people who want to defend themselves or their property as vigilante warriors looking for a fight. I've met many people who conceal that honestly hope they never have to use their arms but are prepared to do so if needed.
    - ropeadopepope 8y ago
      Why guess? The FBI has a full battery of statistics on anything and everything gun related, including CCW license holders. https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/concealed-carry-statistics-fbi/ https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/conce...
      - Retric 8y ago
        Concealed Carry is a self selecting population which makes it hard to separate the population from the action of carrying. Which is why I am not simply digging into statistics. I am sure people make arguments in both directions.
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  - ddtaylor 8y ago
    Derp, I was thinking it was some kind of conversion rate / SEO term. That's what I get for posting a comment with two separate points in it I suppose.

CCW

ddtaylor 8y ago

I'm a newb what does it stand for?

danielvf 8y ago
CCW means Concealed Carry Permit, in the US Southeast. I’m assuming the poster was recommending legaly carrying a firearm when working alone in the streets at night.
- Retric 8y ago
  That seems like it would reduce your odds of getting robbed, but increase your odds of being shot. I am not sure if that's a great trade-off, but worth considering.
  - ggg9990 8y ago
    You’re looking at it the wrong way. For the target market, getting into a gunfight is the desired outcome. Blasting the brains out of a “thug” without having to go to jail for it is the aspiration. Getting shot and killed is a possibility but that’s why they train all weekend at the range.
    - optimuspaul 8y ago
      That's an angle I'd hadn't considered. So if we give the gun nuts their guns and the criminals guns and I just stay inside for a few years this gun problem could just work itself out.
      - ggg9990 8y ago
        No, because the gun nuts and the criminals reproduce at faster rates than the rest of the population.
    - okmokmz 8y ago
      >For the target market, getting into a gunfight is the desired outcome. Blasting the brains out of a “thug” without having to go to jail for it is the aspiration. It sounds like you likely have no firearm experience or friends/family who carry concealed. No one I know with a concealed carry permit hopes to have to use their firearm for self defense. Just like with other groups that carry firearms (police/military) there will be outliers who, as you say, aspire to shoot someone and make the rest look bad. However, the majority of people who carry concealed are certainly not running around trying to find someone to shoot. My grandfather has carried a concealed firearm his entire life and never has never drawn or fired in a self defense situation
      - HarryHirsch 8y ago
        Heh. The guy from Slate Star Codex introduced a value for "Southernness" when he tried to model firearm deaths. So it would be interesting to hear where parent and grandparent poster are from. Atlanta is, of course, in the South.
        danielvf 8y ago
        I dug that article up - really interesting read, and seems pretty accurate. (Warning: long) http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/01/06/guns-and-states/ http://slatestarcodex.com/2016/01/06/guns-and-states/
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      - kyleblarson 8y ago
        This is correct. De-escalation is a major part of most CCW courses, and additionally many states have duty to retreat laws on the books. But it's much easier to hyperbolically mislabel a predominantly law abiding group of citizens than to address one's own ignorance.
    - ddtaylor 8y ago
      I don't think it's fair to brand people who want to defend themselves or their property as vigilante warriors looking for a fight. I've met many people who conceal that honestly hope they never have to use their arms but are prepared to do so if needed.
  - ropeadopepope 8y ago
    Why guess? The FBI has a full battery of statistics on anything and everything gun related, including CCW license holders. https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/concealed-carry-statistics-fbi/ https://www.gunstocarry.com/concealed-carry-statistics/conce...
    - Retric 8y ago
      Concealed Carry is a self selecting population which makes it hard to separate the population from the action of carrying. Which is why I am not simply digging into statistics. I am sure people make arguments in both directions.
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- ddtaylor 8y ago
  Derp, I was thinking it was some kind of conversion rate / SEO term. That's what I get for posting a comment with two separate points in it I suppose.