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Everyone is seeking better lives. That's not a justification to allow someone into your country. EDIT: If you're downvoting this, does this mean that there sho

Everyone is seeking better lives. That's not a justification to allow someone into your country. EDIT: If you're downvoting this, does this mean that there should be no regulation for who can enter a country?

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nubianwarrior 8y ago
I am downvoting this because of the descendants of the illegal ANGLO immigrants who came to Texas in the early 19th century profit and cheer the criminalization of those doing the same thing.
- bluthru 8y ago
  That's an entirely different discussion. War is war. You act as if no humans ever battled for the territory before the 19th century. Should Mexico let anyone in south of its border?
  - nubianwarrior 8y ago
    No it’s not. America was not at war with Mexico during 1812-1836. Tens of thousands of gringos came and illegally squatted on land as well as raped and killed numerous Tejano families for their land. You should brush up on your history.
  - empath75 8y ago
    It does. Show up at the border any time as an American citizen and they stamp your password and let you in.
- nindalf 8y ago
  Nah fam, those people were _pioneers_, get it? They braved the harsh conditions and took what was there after expelling the native savages. /s
  - bluthru 8y ago
    Nah fam, those noble savages grew from the soil and never battled for territory, ever. /s
  - rukittenme 8y ago
    There's a distinction between "killing" and "being killed". Both should be avoided for different reasons.
- rukittenme 8y ago
  Its almost as if that was a bad thing and we want to prevent that bad thing from happening again.
mwfunk 8y ago
Of course there should immigration regulations, but because that's the comment you chose to make at this moment in this context, people are probably assuming that you believe the talking points about there being some big huge problem with illegal immigration in America, that somehow necessitates things like building a giant border wall and enabling ICE, etc. That would be eminently downvote-worthy, but of course you didn't say any of that. It's sort of like someone making a "both sides" comment after Charlottesville, it's hard to make a comment like that without it sounding like a dog whistle for some really bad people.
- bluthru 8y ago
  Illegal immigration is a big problem that directly affects citizens, unlike the foreign interventionism in the Middle East. Do you really think 12.5+ million illegal immigrants isn't a big deal? The system isn't adequate if that many can get in. https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-immigrants-are-in-us https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-il... >that somehow necessitates things like building a giant border wall Do you want to tear down the existing walls? San Diego's seems like a success: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxhhjfiSy2Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxhhjfiSy2Y Walls are relatively cheap, dumb tech. A wall is potentially an investment: https://cis.org/Can-Border-Wall-Pay-Itself https://cis.org/Can-Border-Wall-Pay-Itself >and enabling ICE, etc So you don't want illegal immigrants to be removed? I don't understand.
sethrin 8y ago
The United States of America had open immigration for the first 100 years or so. Not open citizenship, mind you, but open immigration. It wasn't until after the Civil War that SCOTUS forced the federal government to implement an immigration policy. Until then, this was the land of the free, and the home of the brave.
- bluthru 8y ago
  Yes, before there were government-funded social programs and we were largely agrarian.
cocacola1 8y ago
They are certainly welcome to try and succeed.

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nubianwarrior 8y ago

I am downvoting this because of the descendants of the illegal ANGLO immigrants who came to Texas in the early 19th century profit and cheer the criminalization of those doing the same thing.

bluthru 8y ago
That's an entirely different discussion. War is war. You act as if no humans ever battled for the territory before the 19th century. Should Mexico let anyone in south of its border?
- nubianwarrior 8y ago
  No it’s not. America was not at war with Mexico during 1812-1836. Tens of thousands of gringos came and illegally squatted on land as well as raped and killed numerous Tejano families for their land. You should brush up on your history.
- empath75 8y ago
  It does. Show up at the border any time as an American citizen and they stamp your password and let you in.
nindalf 8y ago
Nah fam, those people were _pioneers_, get it? They braved the harsh conditions and took what was there after expelling the native savages. /s
- bluthru 8y ago
  Nah fam, those noble savages grew from the soil and never battled for territory, ever. /s
- rukittenme 8y ago
  There's a distinction between "killing" and "being killed". Both should be avoided for different reasons.
rukittenme 8y ago
Its almost as if that was a bad thing and we want to prevent that bad thing from happening again.

mwfunk 8y ago

Of course there should immigration regulations, but because that's the comment you chose to make at this moment in this context, people are probably assuming that you believe the talking points about there being some big huge problem with illegal immigration in America, that somehow necessitates things like building a giant border wall and enabling ICE, etc. That would be eminently downvote-worthy, but of course you didn't say any of that. It's sort of like someone making a "both sides" comment after Charlottesville, it's hard to make a comment like that without it sounding like a dog whistle for some really bad people.

bluthru 8y ago
Illegal immigration is a big problem that directly affects citizens, unlike the foreign interventionism in the Middle East. Do you really think 12.5+ million illegal immigrants isn't a big deal? The system isn't adequate if that many can get in. https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-illegal-immigrants-are-in-us https://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-immigration/how-many-il... >that somehow necessitates things like building a giant border wall Do you want to tear down the existing walls? San Diego's seems like a success: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxhhjfiSy2Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxhhjfiSy2Y Walls are relatively cheap, dumb tech. A wall is potentially an investment: https://cis.org/Can-Border-Wall-Pay-Itself https://cis.org/Can-Border-Wall-Pay-Itself >and enabling ICE, etc So you don't want illegal immigrants to be removed? I don't understand.

sethrin 8y ago

The United States of America had open immigration for the first 100 years or so. Not open citizenship, mind you, but open immigration. It wasn't until after the Civil War that SCOTUS forced the federal government to implement an immigration policy. Until then, this was the land of the free, and the home of the brave.

bluthru 8y ago
Yes, before there were government-funded social programs and we were largely agrarian.

cocacola1 8y ago

They are certainly welcome to try and succeed.