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If you leave a car “laying around” in a spot not designated for parking a car then it’s likely to be towed, or at least ticketed. This works because the car usu

If you leave a car “laying around” in a spot not designated for parking a car then it’s likely to be towed, or at least ticketed. This works because the car usually has a registered owner who wants it back.

dilap 8y ago
the point is it's silly to complain about the "eyesore" of scooters when you've already accepted insanely higher impositions from cars. cars actually kill people! they have hugely detrimental effects on air quality! they take up tons of space, way more than scooters ever could. the factr that the space has been "officially deemed ok" is irrelevent. http://nordic.businessinsider.com/contentassets/15ba9de498c2431ebac1ce1f40124af2/59036a187dea725c008b50b2.jpg?preset=article-image http://nordic.businessinsider.com/contentassets/15ba9de498c2...
- morogop 8y ago
  "We've accepted one thing that turned out to be bad; so we must accept all future bad things". This is a snarky but accurate restatement of your (commonly professed) belief.
  - fifnir 8y ago
    "Why do we keep accepting this ridiculously bad thing if we are now conscious of bad things?"
  - dilap 8y ago
    but the scooters function in large part as as a replacement for cars. so it's replacing something with lots of problems with something with fewer problems. it's a net win. i do agree having regs to dissuade people from blocking & riding on the sidewalk with scooters seems very reasonable. once you have that i think scooters are basically problem free (except for maybe aesthetic concerns). even w/o that, i still don't see how anyone reasonable could think scooters were anywhere near the top of the list of hazards of sf streets. (perhaps they are a major inconvenience for wheelchair users?; i'd be interested in any first-hand accounts.)
    - morogop 8y ago
      > but the scooters function in large part as as a replacement for cars. I've been playing with the scooters, and they replace long walks and short bike rides for me. My car usage is unchanged.
- laughinghan 8y ago
  This is all true, but one problem that is not widespread is cars strewn all over the sidewalk. The aesthetic problem that you mention is indeed minor; the accessibility problem for people in wheelchairs is not. Cars have all the problems you’ve mentioned and more and I’m also dissatisfied with how much public space we’ve set aside for them, but they also mostly stay off sidewalks and wait at street crossings, so at least we’ve also set aside space for pedestrians to get from one place to another that is usable even for those in wheelchairs.
  - nouveaux 8y ago
    I'm sure cars parked in undesirable places before regulation. I would support taking away street parking in favor of bikes and scooters.
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dilap 8y ago

the point is it's silly to complain about the "eyesore" of scooters when you've already accepted insanely higher impositions from cars. cars actually kill people! they have hugely detrimental effects on air quality! they take up tons of space, way more than scooters ever could. the factr that the space has been "officially deemed ok" is irrelevent. http://nordic.businessinsider.com/contentassets/15ba9de498c2431ebac1ce1f40124af2/59036a187dea725c008b50b2.jpg?preset=article-image http://nordic.businessinsider.com/contentassets/15ba9de498c2...

morogop 8y ago
"We've accepted one thing that turned out to be bad; so we must accept all future bad things". This is a snarky but accurate restatement of your (commonly professed) belief.
- fifnir 8y ago
  "Why do we keep accepting this ridiculously bad thing if we are now conscious of bad things?"
- dilap 8y ago
  but the scooters function in large part as as a replacement for cars. so it's replacing something with lots of problems with something with fewer problems. it's a net win. i do agree having regs to dissuade people from blocking & riding on the sidewalk with scooters seems very reasonable. once you have that i think scooters are basically problem free (except for maybe aesthetic concerns). even w/o that, i still don't see how anyone reasonable could think scooters were anywhere near the top of the list of hazards of sf streets. (perhaps they are a major inconvenience for wheelchair users?; i'd be interested in any first-hand accounts.)
  - morogop 8y ago
    > but the scooters function in large part as as a replacement for cars. I've been playing with the scooters, and they replace long walks and short bike rides for me. My car usage is unchanged.
laughinghan 8y ago
This is all true, but one problem that is not widespread is cars strewn all over the sidewalk. The aesthetic problem that you mention is indeed minor; the accessibility problem for people in wheelchairs is not. Cars have all the problems you’ve mentioned and more and I’m also dissatisfied with how much public space we’ve set aside for them, but they also mostly stay off sidewalks and wait at street crossings, so at least we’ve also set aside space for pedestrians to get from one place to another that is usable even for those in wheelchairs.
- nouveaux 8y ago
  I'm sure cars parked in undesirable places before regulation. I would support taking away street parking in favor of bikes and scooters.
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