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The USA is effectively becoming an innovation black hole from all angles of late. I predict people moving away until only the ultra right remains.

pweissbrod 8y ago
Doubtful. You underestimate the inertia of resources. Wages for tech are more competitive in the US. I also bet if your prediction started to become true then lobbyists would push regulations to reduce the brain drain. That being said I'm a US citizen that thinks about moving increasingly all the time.
- Retric 8y ago
  US is already experiencing a significant brain drain. This is currently offset by new immigrants, but if you look at how many talented people are leaving it's shocking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_from_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_from_the_United_Sta...
  - drukenemo 8y ago
    Do you have have any data on that? Asking as I'm considering moving to the US and the climate there matters to me.
    - Retric 8y ago
      Exact numbers are hard to come by. The United States does not keep track of emigration, and counts of Americans abroad are thus only available courtesy of statistics kept by the destination countries. As of June 2016, the State department's consular section estimated that there are 9 million non-military U.S. citizens living abroad,[3][4] an increase from the 4 million estimated in 1999. The above includes many retirees, who find their retirement incomes stretch further abroad. But, it also includes a lot of PHD students who have troubles finding academic jobs inside the US etc.
    - dv_dt 8y ago
      It's an indirect measure of where people are choosing to invest in their futures, but international student enrolment at US universities is dropping: https://www.npr.org/2018/01/15/578098190/budgets-suffer-after-a-drop-in-international-student-enrollment https://www.npr.org/2018/01/15/578098190/budgets-suffer-afte...
- mkirklions 8y ago
  Yep, looked at Switzerland but Europe might be too racist for me. Would probably go to an Asian country where Americans are actually accepted as humans.
adreamingsoul 8y ago
I’m half tempted to move to Canada as a farmer.
phil248 8y ago
Or more likely, we'll see a continued trend of geographic sorting within the United States based on political ideology and identity.
rconti 8y ago
Actually, not a whole lot of people have the option to move out of their home country.

pweissbrod 8y ago

Doubtful. You underestimate the inertia of resources. Wages for tech are more competitive in the US. I also bet if your prediction started to become true then lobbyists would push regulations to reduce the brain drain. That being said I'm a US citizen that thinks about moving increasingly all the time.

Retric 8y ago
US is already experiencing a significant brain drain. This is currently offset by new immigrants, but if you look at how many talented people are leaving it's shocking. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_from_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emigration_from_the_United_Sta...
- drukenemo 8y ago
  Do you have have any data on that? Asking as I'm considering moving to the US and the climate there matters to me.
  - Retric 8y ago
    Exact numbers are hard to come by. The United States does not keep track of emigration, and counts of Americans abroad are thus only available courtesy of statistics kept by the destination countries. As of June 2016, the State department's consular section estimated that there are 9 million non-military U.S. citizens living abroad,[3][4] an increase from the 4 million estimated in 1999. The above includes many retirees, who find their retirement incomes stretch further abroad. But, it also includes a lot of PHD students who have troubles finding academic jobs inside the US etc.
  - dv_dt 8y ago
    It's an indirect measure of where people are choosing to invest in their futures, but international student enrolment at US universities is dropping: https://www.npr.org/2018/01/15/578098190/budgets-suffer-after-a-drop-in-international-student-enrollment https://www.npr.org/2018/01/15/578098190/budgets-suffer-afte...
mkirklions 8y ago
Yep, looked at Switzerland but Europe might be too racist for me. Would probably go to an Asian country where Americans are actually accepted as humans.

adreamingsoul 8y ago

I’m half tempted to move to Canada as a farmer.

phil248 8y ago

Or more likely, we'll see a continued trend of geographic sorting within the United States based on political ideology and identity.

rconti 8y ago

Actually, not a whole lot of people have the option to move out of their home country.