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"People are inconsistent about the kind of exposure they’ll tolerate. We don’t like to be fingerprinted by government agencies, a practice we associate with mug

"People are inconsistent about the kind of exposure they’ll tolerate. We don’t like to be fingerprinted by government agencies, a practice we associate with mug shots and state surveillance, but we happily hand our thumbprints over to Apple, which does God knows what with them." Great point. People say they care about privacy but willingly Instagram and Snapchat and YouTube every minor detail about their lives. Not everyone of course, but a lot. Facebook has what, 2.1 billion users? There's a vast asymmetry between the privacy people say they want and in reality how quickly they'll give it up in exchange for free services. But this article is a good legal history of American law.

Mirioron 8y ago
>There's a vast asymmetry between the privacy people say they want and in reality how quickly they'll give it up in exchange for free services. This is a very interesting point. I think people don't really acknowledge how much convenience they gain from giving up their privacy. Much of the online discussion around GDPR seemed to be about this issue. People didn't seem top acknowledge just how much they gain from it. I guess this is why it was made into a regulation, so people don't have to make the choice of whether to use an online service or keep their privacy.
kraigspear 8y ago
Just talked to God, this is what he said. Your fingerprint data is encrypted, stored on device, and protected with a key available only to the Secure Enclave. Your fingerprint data is used only by the Secure Enclave to verify that your fingerprint matches the enrolled fingerprint data. It can’t be accessed by the OS on your device or by any applications running on it. It's never stored on Apple servers, it's never backed up to iCloud or anywhere else, and it can't be used to match against other fingerprint databases. https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht204587 https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht204587
- jiveturkey 8y ago
  I just took a random survey of 5 people around me. 5 out of 5 didn't know that, and assumed Apple had a copy of their fingerprint. The point, in case you missed it? The fact that privacy is not actually given up doesn't matter. People are willing to give it up to gain some perceived benefit.
emodendroket 8y ago
What you're posting on Facebook you have more or less complete control over. You can freely exclude aspects of your life that are not flattering or which you don't want others to know about (in practice Facebook collects plenty of information you might not want to share, but this is less obvious and not a core part of the functionality for users).
mrwilhelm 8y ago
Like you said people are `willingly` Instagram, Snapchat and Youtube and it's the information they choose to share. We can't blame people for being on social media. Because they expose what they want to show. They can still be concerned google, facebook recording their every click, what grabbed their attention and precise information about their politicial views, or government surveillance. First one is what you choose to share, another one is basically log of your activities even you don't know how much information it includes.

Mirioron 8y ago

>There's a vast asymmetry between the privacy people say they want and in reality how quickly they'll give it up in exchange for free services. This is a very interesting point. I think people don't really acknowledge how much convenience they gain from giving up their privacy. Much of the online discussion around GDPR seemed to be about this issue. People didn't seem top acknowledge just how much they gain from it. I guess this is why it was made into a regulation, so people don't have to make the choice of whether to use an online service or keep their privacy.

kraigspear 8y ago

Just talked to God, this is what he said. Your fingerprint data is encrypted, stored on device, and protected with a key available only to the Secure Enclave. Your fingerprint data is used only by the Secure Enclave to verify that your fingerprint matches the enrolled fingerprint data. It can’t be accessed by the OS on your device or by any applications running on it. It's never stored on Apple servers, it's never backed up to iCloud or anywhere else, and it can't be used to match against other fingerprint databases. https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht204587 https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht204587

jiveturkey 8y ago
I just took a random survey of 5 people around me. 5 out of 5 didn't know that, and assumed Apple had a copy of their fingerprint. The point, in case you missed it? The fact that privacy is not actually given up doesn't matter. People are willing to give it up to gain some perceived benefit.

emodendroket 8y ago

What you're posting on Facebook you have more or less complete control over. You can freely exclude aspects of your life that are not flattering or which you don't want others to know about (in practice Facebook collects plenty of information you might not want to share, but this is less obvious and not a core part of the functionality for users).

mrwilhelm 8y ago

Like you said people are `willingly` Instagram, Snapchat and Youtube and it's the information they choose to share. We can't blame people for being on social media. Because they expose what they want to show. They can still be concerned google, facebook recording their every click, what grabbed their attention and precise information about their politicial views, or government surveillance. First one is what you choose to share, another one is basically log of your activities even you don't know how much information it includes.