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This is wrong. Not wrong in an immoral sense but wrong in an academic sense. This so called “victimhood” culture arose as a culture of “believe and support the

This is wrong. Not wrong in an immoral sense but wrong in an academic sense. This so called “victimhood” culture arose as a culture of “believe and support the victim”. Of course within that idea of taking the victim’s side first a few people have exploited that for their own selfish reasons and some people have been unfairly targeted as a result. But this “believe the victim first” mentality came about as an inverse to the “give the accused the benefit of the doubt” mentality because the latter suppressed the former’s credibility and made it difficult for real victims of real heinous shit to come forward. Also as a straight white male, I’m insulted by this author’s idea that this “victimhood culture” seeks to invert the power pyramid where now the white dudes are on the bottom. The point of these movements isn’t to invert the power structure, it’s to destroy that power structure entirely. There shouldn’t be a fucking pyramid. That’s the point. “Victimhood culture” (i.e. social justice movements) is dignity culture. It’s about bringing dignity to those who historically hasn’t had that. It’s about bringing dignity to people who have lost their dignity through acts that have caused them trauma. It’s always been about dignity.

jbob2000 8y ago
You missed the point of the article. By giving victims power, people who are attracted to power make themselves victims. The two people who purportedly started this movement (bed girl and the girl who posted her own hate message) did so purely for the power (they weren’t actual victims). Yes, we should support victims. No, we should not make them celebrities.
kthejoker2 8y ago
You missed another point, which is that (as ever) the side with power co-opts these cultures to their own end. Examples include "the war on Christmas" and surveys indicating a majority of white Americans feel white people are discriminated against ( https://www.npr.org/2017/10/24/559604836/majority-of-white-americans-think-theyre-discriminated-against https://www.npr.org/2017/10/24/559604836/majority-of-white-a... ) Witness a man who has reached the pinnacle of business and government in the most powerful nation on Earth, sending out Tweets protesting that he's the victim of a "deep state" "witch hunt".
supreme_sublime 8y ago
>But this “believe the victim first” mentality came about as an inverse to the “give the accused the benefit of the doubt” mentality because the latter suppressed the former’s credibility and made it difficult for real victims of real heinous shit to come forward. Are you referring to our courts "innocent until proven guilty" standard? I'd suggest you be extremely careful in trying to change that. During the Obama Administration Title IX was used as an extrajudicial bludgeon to expel students who were deemed "more likely than not" to have done something illegal. They were not allowed legal representation during the "trials". This resulted in many cases where police exonerated the alleged perpetrator through evidence, but the student was expelled anyway. The Emma Sulkowicz story is one of these cases. "Listen and believe" is probably okay for friends giving support to their friend. Legal standards on the other hand must be more strict and an accusation cannot be a conviction.

jbob2000 8y ago

You missed the point of the article. By giving victims power, people who are attracted to power make themselves victims. The two people who purportedly started this movement (bed girl and the girl who posted her own hate message) did so purely for the power (they weren’t actual victims). Yes, we should support victims. No, we should not make them celebrities.

kthejoker2 8y ago

You missed another point, which is that (as ever) the side with power co-opts these cultures to their own end. Examples include "the war on Christmas" and surveys indicating a majority of white Americans feel white people are discriminated against ( https://www.npr.org/2017/10/24/559604836/majority-of-white-americans-think-theyre-discriminated-against https://www.npr.org/2017/10/24/559604836/majority-of-white-a... ) Witness a man who has reached the pinnacle of business and government in the most powerful nation on Earth, sending out Tweets protesting that he's the victim of a "deep state" "witch hunt".

supreme_sublime 8y ago

>But this “believe the victim first” mentality came about as an inverse to the “give the accused the benefit of the doubt” mentality because the latter suppressed the former’s credibility and made it difficult for real victims of real heinous shit to come forward. Are you referring to our courts "innocent until proven guilty" standard? I'd suggest you be extremely careful in trying to change that. During the Obama Administration Title IX was used as an extrajudicial bludgeon to expel students who were deemed "more likely than not" to have done something illegal. They were not allowed legal representation during the "trials". This resulted in many cases where police exonerated the alleged perpetrator through evidence, but the student was expelled anyway. The Emma Sulkowicz story is one of these cases. "Listen and believe" is probably okay for friends giving support to their friend. Legal standards on the other hand must be more strict and an accusation cannot be a conviction.