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I don't see how any of this applies to Google. Are you saying that dictators can steal my data from Google? I'd think they'd have an easier time breaking into

I don't see how any of this applies to Google. Are you saying that dictators can steal my data from Google? I'd think they'd have an easier time breaking into my house and stealing my computer. By a factor of maybe a thousand.

TheCabin 8y ago
You don't see how "Reinforcement of monopolies" applies? You don't see how "Self-censorship" applies? The Cambridge Analytica scandal was involving facebook -- do you think they are really far apart from each other? The point "Reinforcement of dictatorships" would apply as soon as the government of the US would be in a less healthy state. The overall point is the following: Google might provide nice services for you as and individual, but there are larger-scale societal implications, which we should consider and weigh in as well.
- robbrown451 8y ago
  Self-censorship certainly doesn't apply to me. Reinforcement of dictatorships? Uhhh.... I actually think Google is a force for good against dictatorships and would-be-autocrats such as the current US administration. That's just the impression I get. Monopolies is a different issue, it really has nothing to do with privacy. I do care about that one, but it's completely separate and it is not a self-interest issue, but a society at large one. In that sense, I suppose I'm being asked to participate in a boycott.
jonathanstrange 8y ago
Not only can they, they already do it, via MLAT and via Google's voluntary disclosure. Google even makes money with it. On a voluntary basis, we may provide user data in response to valid legal process from non-U.S. government agencies, Just go to the Google transparency report, select Russia, Egypt, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, and you'll get plenty of requests that Google has fulfilled.
bennofs 8y ago
But the payoff from breaking into Google is much larger than stealing your computer. One of those provides mass access to data and the other only involves data about a few persons. So comparing that is not really valid.

TheCabin 8y ago

You don't see how "Reinforcement of monopolies" applies? You don't see how "Self-censorship" applies? The Cambridge Analytica scandal was involving facebook -- do you think they are really far apart from each other? The point "Reinforcement of dictatorships" would apply as soon as the government of the US would be in a less healthy state. The overall point is the following: Google might provide nice services for you as and individual, but there are larger-scale societal implications, which we should consider and weigh in as well.

robbrown451 8y ago
Self-censorship certainly doesn't apply to me. Reinforcement of dictatorships? Uhhh.... I actually think Google is a force for good against dictatorships and would-be-autocrats such as the current US administration. That's just the impression I get. Monopolies is a different issue, it really has nothing to do with privacy. I do care about that one, but it's completely separate and it is not a self-interest issue, but a society at large one. In that sense, I suppose I'm being asked to participate in a boycott.

jonathanstrange 8y ago

Not only can they, they already do it, via MLAT and via Google's voluntary disclosure. Google even makes money with it. On a voluntary basis, we may provide user data in response to valid legal process from non-U.S. government agencies, Just go to the Google transparency report, select Russia, Egypt, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, and you'll get plenty of requests that Google has fulfilled.

bennofs 8y ago

But the payoff from breaking into Google is much larger than stealing your computer. One of those provides mass access to data and the other only involves data about a few persons. So comparing that is not really valid.