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I kind of read the headline as, ‘pay the guardian a subscription fee or we’ll aggravate, and amplify, stories that make society feel more scared and under attac

by sbhn 8y ago

I kind of read the headline as, ‘pay the guardian a subscription fee or we’ll aggravate, and amplify, stories that make society feel more scared and under attack from forces that can only be resolved with less freedoms and more tax payer spending’. Perhaps the guardian should lobby to make non payment of ‘subscription’ a criminal offence and benefit from the same protections over competition that are awarded the bbc news.

n4r9 8y ago
That makes no sense. The Guardian is not a local newspaper, it wouldn't benefit from higher taxes, and you don't need a subscription to read the BBC news.
- sbhn 8y ago
  I try to put as much information into a small amount text so it’s quick for you to read. I don’t need to write a 20 page essay to convince you. But I’ll give you a few points. The guardian is just another lobby with its own hopes and fears, but trying to convert all its readers to a subscription model, and it will use any click bait title and print any fud it can to convince you of the virtues of the subscription model. The bbc license fee, is illegal in England not to pay. The terms and conditions on license fee renewal cover all forms of media distribution and ways you might consume bbc content. And it’s illegal to reprint those terms and conditions in any other media format available so I can’t copy and paste it here for you. 50 percent of the criminals that pass through a British councils court houses, are there for non payment of bbc license fee. I get this info from my local paper public notices section. The bbc license fee creates a unlevel playing field for all other media organisations which who have media business models similar to the many media types the bbc produces. Bbc gets its money for free, many people, especially poor, receive criminal convictions for not paying it, it creates an anti competitive environment for competing media organisations, it’s lawyers are the best. At least local news outlets can print all the court cases it wins, if it’s still legal to. I heard that recently many more criminal convictions, let alone suspect investigations, are now subject to gag orders. This is England
  - orcdork 8y ago
    Ok so... There's no "BBC fee". Theres a TV Licence fee. You don't need to pay it if you don't own a tv. Or you own a tv hooked up to a playstation. There's also many other (legal) reasons to not pay for it. There's no such thing as a "british council court house". There's magistrates court, where non-payment of the license fee might end up at. "50 percent of the criminals that pass through a British councils court houses, are there for non payment of bbc license fee" is a ridiculous statement. It's closer to 1 in 10, a fact you could have discovered by a simple google search. You can find a related article here: https://fullfact.org/news/do-tv-licence-offences-account-one-ten-court-cases/ https://fullfact.org/news/do-tv-licence-offences-account-one... A criminal conviction for non payment of the tv license fee will not show up in most checks, and you don't have to disclose it. Every single thing you typed above is either completely incorrect, or specifically misleading.
    - sbhn 8y ago
      So 10 percent of criminal convictions are bbc license fee related, and many don’t show up in searches or make it far enough to be statutorily documented. I’m really sorry I wrote the British court house thing, you see, I don’t need to speak the queens english, or write within the constraints of proper journalist standards to convey an idea in a small text field on a public forum. Unless of course the law has changed, and the system needs justify its existence with more examples victimless petty crime. Did you understand my concept of what the bbc license fee protects. The naming of the license as ‘TV license’ is extremely, deliberately and specifically misleading.
      - n4r9 8y ago
        You don't need to speak good English to convince people on this forum, but you do need to be able to back up your ideas with evidence. I do have sympathy with arguments against the BBC license fee and subscription models, but the fact that you pull exaggerated figures from the top of your head to support your arguments does very little for you.
        8y ago

by sbhn 8y ago

n4r9 8y ago

That makes no sense. The Guardian is not a local newspaper, it wouldn't benefit from higher taxes, and you don't need a subscription to read the BBC news.

sbhn 8y ago
I try to put as much information into a small amount text so it’s quick for you to read. I don’t need to write a 20 page essay to convince you. But I’ll give you a few points. The guardian is just another lobby with its own hopes and fears, but trying to convert all its readers to a subscription model, and it will use any click bait title and print any fud it can to convince you of the virtues of the subscription model. The bbc license fee, is illegal in England not to pay. The terms and conditions on license fee renewal cover all forms of media distribution and ways you might consume bbc content. And it’s illegal to reprint those terms and conditions in any other media format available so I can’t copy and paste it here for you. 50 percent of the criminals that pass through a British councils court houses, are there for non payment of bbc license fee. I get this info from my local paper public notices section. The bbc license fee creates a unlevel playing field for all other media organisations which who have media business models similar to the many media types the bbc produces. Bbc gets its money for free, many people, especially poor, receive criminal convictions for not paying it, it creates an anti competitive environment for competing media organisations, it’s lawyers are the best. At least local news outlets can print all the court cases it wins, if it’s still legal to. I heard that recently many more criminal convictions, let alone suspect investigations, are now subject to gag orders. This is England
- orcdork 8y ago
  Ok so... There's no "BBC fee". Theres a TV Licence fee. You don't need to pay it if you don't own a tv. Or you own a tv hooked up to a playstation. There's also many other (legal) reasons to not pay for it. There's no such thing as a "british council court house". There's magistrates court, where non-payment of the license fee might end up at. "50 percent of the criminals that pass through a British councils court houses, are there for non payment of bbc license fee" is a ridiculous statement. It's closer to 1 in 10, a fact you could have discovered by a simple google search. You can find a related article here: https://fullfact.org/news/do-tv-licence-offences-account-one-ten-court-cases/ https://fullfact.org/news/do-tv-licence-offences-account-one... A criminal conviction for non payment of the tv license fee will not show up in most checks, and you don't have to disclose it. Every single thing you typed above is either completely incorrect, or specifically misleading.
  - sbhn 8y ago
    So 10 percent of criminal convictions are bbc license fee related, and many don’t show up in searches or make it far enough to be statutorily documented. I’m really sorry I wrote the British court house thing, you see, I don’t need to speak the queens english, or write within the constraints of proper journalist standards to convey an idea in a small text field on a public forum. Unless of course the law has changed, and the system needs justify its existence with more examples victimless petty crime. Did you understand my concept of what the bbc license fee protects. The naming of the license as ‘TV license’ is extremely, deliberately and specifically misleading.
    - n4r9 8y ago
      You don't need to speak good English to convince people on this forum, but you do need to be able to back up your ideas with evidence. I do have sympathy with arguments against the BBC license fee and subscription models, but the fact that you pull exaggerated figures from the top of your head to support your arguments does very little for you.
      - 8y ago