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Again, like I or others mentioned before. If you don't want to be the product, you just have to pay the equivalent of a beer in month [0]. You need a own domain

by ccozan 8y ago

Again, like I or others mentioned before. If you don't want to be the product, you just have to pay the equivalent of a beer in month [0]. You need a own domain, but who doesn't these days? [0] https://gsuite.google.com/pricing.html https://gsuite.google.com/pricing.html

sidcool 8y ago
So are you saying that a Gsuite customer is not tracked and targeted for ads?
- CobrastanJorji 8y ago
  Per the G Suites terms of service: > Google will not process Customer Personal Data for Advertising purposes or serve Advertising in the Services. https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html
sincerely 8y ago
Which of the tiers are you talking about?
auslander 8y ago
This is ridiculous. It is the same company, Ads driven company, you're expecting to be nice just because you paid few dollars.
- untog 8y ago
  No, the G Suite product has a clearly defined privacy policy that's quite different to the usual Google one. If Google violates it they'll be liable to be sued for millions, at the least. It's not "expecting to be nice", it's "entering into a legal and business relationship that stipulates niceness".
  - auslander 8y ago
    Could not find full GSuite policy, hmm. The best I got is [1]. They do scan stuff, and for a long (con:) game, it is priceless. They'll have your kids school scores for example. scan and index your data to provide you with your services and to protect your data, such as to perform spam and malware detection, to sort email for features like Priority Inbox and to return fast, powerful search results when users search for information in their accounts. [1] support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650
    - jhall1468 8y ago
      They literally say why they scan and you are talking about your kids school scores. You clearly have an agenda.
      - auslander 8y ago
        I do. They have too much access to too many people's data. And making billions on the data. Plus having biggest infrastructure and buying best AI and ML brains in bulk. I hope you can add all this together and see the picture. Kids worry me the most, as this G.Education is pushed on them without choice, being profiled from 1st grade.
        jhall1468 8y ago
        You are volunteering that data. I can see the picture fine, they are a company that hires smart people to build out an targeted advertising business. They don't have access to people's data. People are giving them access to their data.
  - ccozan 8y ago
    That is correct. Please read this whitepaper [0]. [0] https://storage.googleapis.com/gfw-touched-accounts-pdfs/google-cloud-security-and-compliance-whitepaper.pdf https://storage.googleapis.com/gfw-touched-accounts-pdfs/goo... Page 16 directly mentions: "G Suite customers own their data, not Google. The data that G Suite organizations and users put into our systems is theirs, and we do not scan it for advertisements nor sell it to third parties." I guess, for me this is good enough and the 4 euros a month are negligible for the huge advantage of using the gsuite.
newscracker 8y ago
Some people trust a company to outlive their domain registrations, and hence prefer not to use a custom domain. A custom domain, commonly of the <firstnamelastname> format, also leaks personal information every time it’s used, whereas a consumer mail provider domain name doesn’t (as long as one chooses a somewhat random address).
- izacus 8y ago
  On the other hand it does let you switch providers easily without all your contacts noticing.
- driverdan 8y ago
  > Some people trust a company to outlive their domain registrations That doesn't make sense. Domains last for as long as you pay their <$10/year fee. How many people here still use hotmail.com or yahoo.com emails? > A custom domain, commonly of the <firstnamelastname> format, also leaks personal information every time it’s used It only leaks the info you want it to leak. Want to be pseudo-anonymous? Register something that's not your name. Wow, that was tough.
  - newscracker 8y ago
    > That doesn't make sense. Domains last for as long as you pay their <$10/year fee. That exactly is the problem. Would most people feel confident that their offspring/relatives/friends keep their domain renewed after they're dead? If that doesn't happen at least for a decade or a few decades after the domain owner's death, then anyone who buys that domain may end up getting many external emails that reveal sensitive and confidential information. And what about forgetting to renew a domain within the approximately two months after expiry when it becomes available for someone else to grab it? > How many people here still use hotmail.com or yahoo.com emails? This is a complete non-issue in this context, because anyone who had these accounts and died (or forgot about them) wouldn't have their dead/deactivated email accounts taken over by someone else because the major providers don't recycle deleted or deactivated email addresses. Hence my point about some people trusting a company to outlive their domain registrations. >> A custom domain, commonly of the <firstnamelastname> format, also leaks personal information every time it’s used > It only leaks the info you want it to leak. Want to be pseudo-anonymous? Register something that's not your name. Wow, that was tough. I already mentioned "commonly of the <firstnamelastname> format", and didn't really say that everyone does it. My point was an observation on how people seem to handle a custom domain. I see that it was tough to get my points across!
halflings 8y ago
Worth mentioning that even in Gmail, emails are no longer used for advertisement. [0] [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/23/technology/gmail-ads.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/23/technology/gmail-ads.html

by ccozan 8y ago

sidcool 8y ago

So are you saying that a Gsuite customer is not tracked and targeted for ads?

CobrastanJorji 8y ago
Per the G Suites terms of service: > Google will not process Customer Personal Data for Advertising purposes or serve Advertising in the Services. https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html https://gsuite.google.com/terms/dpa_terms.html

sincerely 8y ago

Which of the tiers are you talking about?

auslander 8y ago

This is ridiculous. It is the same company, Ads driven company, you're expecting to be nice just because you paid few dollars.

untog 8y ago
No, the G Suite product has a clearly defined privacy policy that's quite different to the usual Google one. If Google violates it they'll be liable to be sued for millions, at the least. It's not "expecting to be nice", it's "entering into a legal and business relationship that stipulates niceness".
- auslander 8y ago
  Could not find full GSuite policy, hmm. The best I got is [1]. They do scan stuff, and for a long (con:) game, it is priceless. They'll have your kids school scores for example. scan and index your data to provide you with your services and to protect your data, such as to perform spam and malware detection, to sort email for features like Priority Inbox and to return fast, powerful search results when users search for information in their accounts. [1] support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650
  - jhall1468 8y ago
    They literally say why they scan and you are talking about your kids school scores. You clearly have an agenda.
    - auslander 8y ago
      I do. They have too much access to too many people's data. And making billions on the data. Plus having biggest infrastructure and buying best AI and ML brains in bulk. I hope you can add all this together and see the picture. Kids worry me the most, as this G.Education is pushed on them without choice, being profiled from 1st grade.
      - jhall1468 8y ago
        You are volunteering that data. I can see the picture fine, they are a company that hires smart people to build out an targeted advertising business. They don't have access to people's data. People are giving them access to their data.
- ccozan 8y ago
  That is correct. Please read this whitepaper [0]. [0] https://storage.googleapis.com/gfw-touched-accounts-pdfs/google-cloud-security-and-compliance-whitepaper.pdf https://storage.googleapis.com/gfw-touched-accounts-pdfs/goo... Page 16 directly mentions: "G Suite customers own their data, not Google. The data that G Suite organizations and users put into our systems is theirs, and we do not scan it for advertisements nor sell it to third parties." I guess, for me this is good enough and the 4 euros a month are negligible for the huge advantage of using the gsuite.

newscracker 8y ago

Some people trust a company to outlive their domain registrations, and hence prefer not to use a custom domain. A custom domain, commonly of the <firstnamelastname> format, also leaks personal information every time it’s used, whereas a consumer mail provider domain name doesn’t (as long as one chooses a somewhat random address).

izacus 8y ago
On the other hand it does let you switch providers easily without all your contacts noticing.
driverdan 8y ago
> Some people trust a company to outlive their domain registrations That doesn't make sense. Domains last for as long as you pay their <$10/year fee. How many people here still use hotmail.com or yahoo.com emails? > A custom domain, commonly of the <firstnamelastname> format, also leaks personal information every time it’s used It only leaks the info you want it to leak. Want to be pseudo-anonymous? Register something that's not your name. Wow, that was tough.
- newscracker 8y ago
  > That doesn't make sense. Domains last for as long as you pay their <$10/year fee. That exactly is the problem. Would most people feel confident that their offspring/relatives/friends keep their domain renewed after they're dead? If that doesn't happen at least for a decade or a few decades after the domain owner's death, then anyone who buys that domain may end up getting many external emails that reveal sensitive and confidential information. And what about forgetting to renew a domain within the approximately two months after expiry when it becomes available for someone else to grab it? > How many people here still use hotmail.com or yahoo.com emails? This is a complete non-issue in this context, because anyone who had these accounts and died (or forgot about them) wouldn't have their dead/deactivated email accounts taken over by someone else because the major providers don't recycle deleted or deactivated email addresses. Hence my point about some people trusting a company to outlive their domain registrations. >> A custom domain, commonly of the <firstnamelastname> format, also leaks personal information every time it’s used > It only leaks the info you want it to leak. Want to be pseudo-anonymous? Register something that's not your name. Wow, that was tough. I already mentioned "commonly of the <firstnamelastname> format", and didn't really say that everyone does it. My point was an observation on how people seem to handle a custom domain. I see that it was tough to get my points across!

halflings 8y ago

Worth mentioning that even in Gmail, emails are no longer used for advertisement. [0] [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/23/technology/gmail-ads.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/23/technology/gmail-ads.html