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OSS is better, even MS now advocate for Open Source. OSS is just a hiring signal. You need to review around 100 CV for a single position, you need these signals

OSS is better, even MS now advocate for Open Source. OSS is just a hiring signal. You need to review around 100 CV for a single position, you need these signals. In the same time if you want to progress quickly to the Senior position you need to prove your worth. What is a better way: describing how great developer you are in Cover Letter that no one read or having OSS contributions.

watwut 8y ago
Majority of MS developers work on close source. They are not slacking in work afaik and majority don't do open source in their free time. Even if they would hire on oss, majority of new emplyes would be disappointed to find that they are under too much pressure to produce in work to continue. Overwhelming majority if companies don't have 100 CV on position, our salaries would go down quick if that would be case. I never wrote cover letter. Is that still done for tech positions? Haven't heard of it.
- Chyzwar 8y ago
  > Majority of MS developers work on close source. That true, but major industry shift already happened. Literally, everyone is building on top of OSS. > Overwhelming majority if companies don't have 100 CV on position. You get around that many CV unless your company sucks(Glassdoor reviews) or you do not want to pay(Startup). Pre-screening is done by HR/Agency. In some cases, you have even more leads that your Requiter is cold calling. Engineer running interviews will get 10-30 CVs per position.
  - watwut 8y ago
    > That true, but major industry shift already happened. Literally, everyone is building on top of OSS. They are building close source on top of OSS. They are producing close source while using open source libraries. I find it odd that you would decide to limit your pool of applicants on those from few oss projects and rejected the rest of ms employees. That is my point: majority of employed programmers produce close source application in companies that expect them not to slack off. That oss is used inside does not matter. > You get around that many CV unless your company sucks(Glassdoor reviews) or you do not want to pay(Startup). Uhm. Again, why are salaries not falling down? Why is everyone crying that they can not find people? Why don't that company does not specify in more concrete details who are they looking for so that people who wont like position self select out? > Pre-screening is done by HR/Agency. In some cases, you have even more leads that your Requiter is cold calling. Engineer running interviews will get 10-30 CVs per position That would explain a lot, mostly why there is simultaneous cry of lack of people, simultaneously too many applicants and simultaneously recruiters doing cold calling. All in all, it sounds like broken hiring process.

watwut 8y ago

Majority of MS developers work on close source. They are not slacking in work afaik and majority don't do open source in their free time. Even if they would hire on oss, majority of new emplyes would be disappointed to find that they are under too much pressure to produce in work to continue. Overwhelming majority if companies don't have 100 CV on position, our salaries would go down quick if that would be case. I never wrote cover letter. Is that still done for tech positions? Haven't heard of it.

Chyzwar 8y ago
> Majority of MS developers work on close source. That true, but major industry shift already happened. Literally, everyone is building on top of OSS. > Overwhelming majority if companies don't have 100 CV on position. You get around that many CV unless your company sucks(Glassdoor reviews) or you do not want to pay(Startup). Pre-screening is done by HR/Agency. In some cases, you have even more leads that your Requiter is cold calling. Engineer running interviews will get 10-30 CVs per position.
- watwut 8y ago
  > That true, but major industry shift already happened. Literally, everyone is building on top of OSS. They are building close source on top of OSS. They are producing close source while using open source libraries. I find it odd that you would decide to limit your pool of applicants on those from few oss projects and rejected the rest of ms employees. That is my point: majority of employed programmers produce close source application in companies that expect them not to slack off. That oss is used inside does not matter. > You get around that many CV unless your company sucks(Glassdoor reviews) or you do not want to pay(Startup). Uhm. Again, why are salaries not falling down? Why is everyone crying that they can not find people? Why don't that company does not specify in more concrete details who are they looking for so that people who wont like position self select out? > Pre-screening is done by HR/Agency. In some cases, you have even more leads that your Requiter is cold calling. Engineer running interviews will get 10-30 CVs per position That would explain a lot, mostly why there is simultaneous cry of lack of people, simultaneously too many applicants and simultaneously recruiters doing cold calling. All in all, it sounds like broken hiring process.