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I wonder if modern Dutch speakers can understand any of this? https://youtu.be/lfg3jHV1TzE?t=246 https://youtu.be/lfg3jHV1TzE?t=246 https://youtu.be/9bfgEgFKcc

I wonder if modern Dutch speakers can understand any of this? https://youtu.be/lfg3jHV1TzE?t=246 https://youtu.be/lfg3jHV1TzE?t=246 https://youtu.be/9bfgEgFKccw?t=3 https://youtu.be/9bfgEgFKccw?t=3

richardfeynman 8y ago
If it's any help, I speak pretty good dutch, some german, and some czech (which is similar to polish) and can only understand about 1/4 of this. Any native dutch speakers can feel free to chime in, but I don't think speaking dutch is a major advantage in understanding this.
- jorgen123 8y ago
  Native Dutch here. I agree. I understand some words that are more like numbers in German but nothing much else.
jwildeboer 8y ago
Native dutch from the eastern part that has lived in the southern part too, now in Munich and knows (and speaks) quite a lot of dialects. This sounds like someone from Luxemburg would be better at understanding. It's a mixture of dutch spoken in Limburg (soft tones, not the "hard" r and g pronounciation that is typical for the western parts of the Netherlands) but also not that modern vlaams melody. I could understand it roundabout a sgood as when I hear someone speaking Afrikaans.
pvg 8y ago
I speak (Austrian) German and it sounds a lot more like a German dialect than Dutch to me (there are so many of them, though, this is not really saying an awful lot). Like the Dutch speakers who've chimed in, I don't understand much of it but can pick out enough words to tell where the other, incomprehensible words are.
- bipson 8y ago
  I agree, I have no idea how to pronounce the words unfortunately, but lots of it resembles bavarian, or even allemanic dialect. E.g. "s’błimła (‘flower’)" - "s'Blüamle" (allemanic) Obviously this comparison would benefit from using a phonetic scripture. At first I thought it was related to yiddish...
  - bipson 8y ago
    Having listened to the above youtube video, I think resemblance to allemanic might be coincidental, as it is so often. Judging from the pronunciation, I would also put some "idioms" of this dialect in Dutch/Flemish regions (there is maybe a distinct polish influence in there that throws one off?). As so often for me, the written word it seems is way more understandable than the spoken word. I had the same experience with Swedish. Weird how some languages kept similarities in writing longer than similar pronunciation.
    - pvg 8y ago
      There are also a lot of strange tricks personal perception and familiarity play on you. I found this easier to listen to first and then listen and look at the text together later. I similarly find myself thrown for a loop whenever I see Viennese/Bavarian written. 'Wir sind' - easy to read and hear, 'mia san' easily matches up with the former when heard. 'Mia san' written down and for a moment I have no idea what I'm looking at. Feels weird to even type it out.
- qbaqbaqba 8y ago
  German influence. Before ~1918 area was a part of German language 'island' of Bielitz. A town nearby called Hałcnów had a similar local language that was much more similar to German.
cies 8y ago
It sounds like some Dutch farmer dialects. I cannot understand a word of it, but it surely does not sound anything like a slavic language to me.
RikNieu 8y ago
Afrikaans speaker here. Might as well have been Russian. Didn't get any of it.
gpvos 8y ago
The first fragment with the old woman sounds a bit more like Dutch or Low Saxon but with heavy German influence. The second clip with the young man sounds very much like a German dialect to me (Dutch native). Understanding either of them completely would take a lot of effort.
singularity2001 8y ago
Sounded like "1+1 am Tag macht 2" at 4:33 2nd video: "Das sind die Sproech" "Da kann ich gehn, da kann ich meditieren, da kann ich alles machen" almost plain German. at 0:44 - 1:00 and many other German snippets

I wonder if modern Dutch speakers can understand any of this? https://youtu.be/lfg3jHV1TzE?t=246 https://youtu.be/lfg3jHV1TzE?t=246 https://youtu.be/9bfgEgFKccw?t=3 https://youtu.be/9bfgEgFKccw?t=3

richardfeynman 8y ago

If it's any help, I speak pretty good dutch, some german, and some czech (which is similar to polish) and can only understand about 1/4 of this. Any native dutch speakers can feel free to chime in, but I don't think speaking dutch is a major advantage in understanding this.

jorgen123 8y ago
Native Dutch here. I agree. I understand some words that are more like numbers in German but nothing much else.

jwildeboer 8y ago

Native dutch from the eastern part that has lived in the southern part too, now in Munich and knows (and speaks) quite a lot of dialects. This sounds like someone from Luxemburg would be better at understanding. It's a mixture of dutch spoken in Limburg (soft tones, not the "hard" r and g pronounciation that is typical for the western parts of the Netherlands) but also not that modern vlaams melody. I could understand it roundabout a sgood as when I hear someone speaking Afrikaans.

pvg 8y ago

I speak (Austrian) German and it sounds a lot more like a German dialect than Dutch to me (there are so many of them, though, this is not really saying an awful lot). Like the Dutch speakers who've chimed in, I don't understand much of it but can pick out enough words to tell where the other, incomprehensible words are.

bipson 8y ago
I agree, I have no idea how to pronounce the words unfortunately, but lots of it resembles bavarian, or even allemanic dialect. E.g. "s’błimła (‘flower’)" - "s'Blüamle" (allemanic) Obviously this comparison would benefit from using a phonetic scripture. At first I thought it was related to yiddish...
- bipson 8y ago
  Having listened to the above youtube video, I think resemblance to allemanic might be coincidental, as it is so often. Judging from the pronunciation, I would also put some "idioms" of this dialect in Dutch/Flemish regions (there is maybe a distinct polish influence in there that throws one off?). As so often for me, the written word it seems is way more understandable than the spoken word. I had the same experience with Swedish. Weird how some languages kept similarities in writing longer than similar pronunciation.
  - pvg 8y ago
    There are also a lot of strange tricks personal perception and familiarity play on you. I found this easier to listen to first and then listen and look at the text together later. I similarly find myself thrown for a loop whenever I see Viennese/Bavarian written. 'Wir sind' - easy to read and hear, 'mia san' easily matches up with the former when heard. 'Mia san' written down and for a moment I have no idea what I'm looking at. Feels weird to even type it out.
qbaqbaqba 8y ago
German influence. Before ~1918 area was a part of German language 'island' of Bielitz. A town nearby called Hałcnów had a similar local language that was much more similar to German.

cies 8y ago

It sounds like some Dutch farmer dialects. I cannot understand a word of it, but it surely does not sound anything like a slavic language to me.

RikNieu 8y ago

Afrikaans speaker here. Might as well have been Russian. Didn't get any of it.

gpvos 8y ago

The first fragment with the old woman sounds a bit more like Dutch or Low Saxon but with heavy German influence. The second clip with the young man sounds very much like a German dialect to me (Dutch native). Understanding either of them completely would take a lot of effort.

singularity2001 8y ago

Sounded like "1+1 am Tag macht 2" at 4:33 2nd video: "Das sind die Sproech" "Da kann ich gehn, da kann ich meditieren, da kann ich alles machen" almost plain German. at 0:44 - 1:00 and many other German snippets