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Isn't porn banned in south korea? If you ban legal ways of getting porn that you identify with culturally, people will make it illegally, not surprised this hap

by nodja 8y ago

Isn't porn banned in south korea? If you ban legal ways of getting porn that you identify with culturally, people will make it illegally, not surprised this happens without consent. It's like marijuana in the U.S. all over again, if you ban it, people with less morals will make it available in a worse way. Just allow porn and regulate it, like every other country does.

SiempreViernes 8y ago
How is breaking into someone's motel room to film them in secrecy in any way a rational response give that there is plenty of other countries nearby that make porn? Are you really saying that making non-consensual porn just such a deep biological need that nothing can be done? I mean, there is certainly no great lack of porn available online, so simply reuploading some chinese or japanese flicks seems a far more sane response than hiding cameras in public restrooms.
- jjaredsimpson 8y ago
  Please don't write comments like this. This comment seems to hit all the bad rhetoric hot points. You've misrepresented parent's point, attacked a straw man, and also somehow made a slightly racist argument that Koreans are interchangeable with Chinese and Japanese. The point is that banning pornography might be creating a niche market that bad actors are happy to exploit. I have no idea if it's true. But the argument isn't saying the behavior is rational and there was no claim made about the deep biological needs for porn. Please engage with good faith and measured tone.
  - malmsteen 8y ago
    I think the comment was Absolutely on point
  - taysic 8y ago
    I thought the comment made great points.
    - majewsky 8y ago
      If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, use upvotes/downvotes. Responding with comments like this just makes you look like you're just a sock puppet, which you probably don't want.
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    - threatofrain 8y ago
      I thought he turned a traditional policy position ("prohibition fuels bad underground activity of worse variety") into a toy, overly emotional argument ("how is it reasonable to discuss legalization in response to sexual film spying?"). After you resolve the rhetorical difficulties, it just collapses back to the old argument still unaddressed (does prohibition fuel bad underground activity? can legalization reduce this phenomena in scope or impact?). That's what makes it a bad point in my mind. It really is taking someone's position and turning it into a strawman, in a way that takes about 2 or 3 back and forth responses to resolve. I think it's totally worth hopping past this branch in discourse.
- nodja 8y ago
  > Are you really saying that making non-consensual porn just such a deep biological need that nothing can be done? No, I mean that by banning porn creates an illegal market for it. Supply and demand. > I mean, there is certainly no great lack of porn available online, so simply reuploading some chinese or japanese flicks seems a far more sane response than hiding cameras in public restrooms. There's a great lack of _korean_ porn. I know the world is very america centric in terms of media, but if you're from another culture, you're more likely to identify with culturally relevant media, including porn. But this is besides the point, the internet in korea is censored and bans, among other things, porn. You need to use a VPN service if you want to access porn websites. Look I'm not saying these women are wrong. Of course people breaking into other peoples houses/rooms and filming them is not right. But the same happens everywhere. I remember reading a story some years ago about an american man that owned a motel and he setup hidden cameras to watch other people getting it on. America is as fucked up in that sense too. But these are not the cases we're trying to combat, there's nothing much we can do about them since it's a complex scenario. What we're trying to get rid of is the casual creeps that have no idea what a VPN is and want to whack off to something they can identify with. Having them be creeps on their computer/phones in their private space is better than having them look for excitement by abusing other people's privacy.
  - foolrush 8y ago
    > No, I mean that by banning porn creates an illegal market for it. Supply and demand. Not all things in one's culture should be viewed as a market transaction, nor is it appropriate to overfit them as such.
    - true_religion 8y ago
      It's not as if it created an illegal market for it either. Unless everything in the world is permitted, there will aways be an illegal market for something even if only because people want to dodge regulations. The total ban does mean that only criminals can produce pornography, and criminals by their nature don't have the moral qualms with committing further crimes.
- true_religion 8y ago
  > Are you really saying that making non-consensual porn just such a deep biological need that nothing can be done? I think what he is saying is that if you ban pornography, the only people who can make it will be criminals---and criminals will commit further crimes as (a) there is no psychological barrier to them doing so and (b) their 'consumers'/'customers' are already consuming illegal material, so can unsurprisingly further fetishize criminal behavior. It would be better/easier to allow for pornography but strictly regulate it to a degree that incentivizes the moral production of it.

by nodja 8y ago

SiempreViernes 8y ago

How is breaking into someone's motel room to film them in secrecy in any way a rational response give that there is plenty of other countries nearby that make porn? Are you really saying that making non-consensual porn just such a deep biological need that nothing can be done? I mean, there is certainly no great lack of porn available online, so simply reuploading some chinese or japanese flicks seems a far more sane response than hiding cameras in public restrooms.

jjaredsimpson 8y ago
Please don't write comments like this. This comment seems to hit all the bad rhetoric hot points. You've misrepresented parent's point, attacked a straw man, and also somehow made a slightly racist argument that Koreans are interchangeable with Chinese and Japanese. The point is that banning pornography might be creating a niche market that bad actors are happy to exploit. I have no idea if it's true. But the argument isn't saying the behavior is rational and there was no claim made about the deep biological needs for porn. Please engage with good faith and measured tone.
- malmsteen 8y ago
  I think the comment was Absolutely on point
- taysic 8y ago
  I thought the comment made great points.
  - majewsky 8y ago
    If you don't have anything to add to the discussion, use upvotes/downvotes. Responding with comments like this just makes you look like you're just a sock puppet, which you probably don't want.
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  - threatofrain 8y ago
    I thought he turned a traditional policy position ("prohibition fuels bad underground activity of worse variety") into a toy, overly emotional argument ("how is it reasonable to discuss legalization in response to sexual film spying?"). After you resolve the rhetorical difficulties, it just collapses back to the old argument still unaddressed (does prohibition fuel bad underground activity? can legalization reduce this phenomena in scope or impact?). That's what makes it a bad point in my mind. It really is taking someone's position and turning it into a strawman, in a way that takes about 2 or 3 back and forth responses to resolve. I think it's totally worth hopping past this branch in discourse.
nodja 8y ago
> Are you really saying that making non-consensual porn just such a deep biological need that nothing can be done? No, I mean that by banning porn creates an illegal market for it. Supply and demand. > I mean, there is certainly no great lack of porn available online, so simply reuploading some chinese or japanese flicks seems a far more sane response than hiding cameras in public restrooms. There's a great lack of _korean_ porn. I know the world is very america centric in terms of media, but if you're from another culture, you're more likely to identify with culturally relevant media, including porn. But this is besides the point, the internet in korea is censored and bans, among other things, porn. You need to use a VPN service if you want to access porn websites. Look I'm not saying these women are wrong. Of course people breaking into other peoples houses/rooms and filming them is not right. But the same happens everywhere. I remember reading a story some years ago about an american man that owned a motel and he setup hidden cameras to watch other people getting it on. America is as fucked up in that sense too. But these are not the cases we're trying to combat, there's nothing much we can do about them since it's a complex scenario. What we're trying to get rid of is the casual creeps that have no idea what a VPN is and want to whack off to something they can identify with. Having them be creeps on their computer/phones in their private space is better than having them look for excitement by abusing other people's privacy.
- foolrush 8y ago
  > No, I mean that by banning porn creates an illegal market for it. Supply and demand. Not all things in one's culture should be viewed as a market transaction, nor is it appropriate to overfit them as such.
  - true_religion 8y ago
    It's not as if it created an illegal market for it either. Unless everything in the world is permitted, there will aways be an illegal market for something even if only because people want to dodge regulations. The total ban does mean that only criminals can produce pornography, and criminals by their nature don't have the moral qualms with committing further crimes.
true_religion 8y ago
> Are you really saying that making non-consensual porn just such a deep biological need that nothing can be done? I think what he is saying is that if you ban pornography, the only people who can make it will be criminals---and criminals will commit further crimes as (a) there is no psychological barrier to them doing so and (b) their 'consumers'/'customers' are already consuming illegal material, so can unsurprisingly further fetishize criminal behavior. It would be better/easier to allow for pornography but strictly regulate it to a degree that incentivizes the moral production of it.