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My Life Isn't Your Porn: Why South Korean Women Protest

44 points by dsr12 8y ago

cpmouter 8y ago
If we are talking about videos and pictures of genitalia, where the person involved is not identified (i.e. face not visible)...
- JackCh 8y ago
  What exactly are you trying to say?
  - cpmouter 8y ago
    I don't believe this is grave.
    - JackCh 8y ago
      > "One night in Seoul last year, Ha went to a motel alone after an evening of drinking with friends. In the middle of her sleep, she felt something on her legs. She woke up, opened her eyes, and in the dark, saw a man who looked to be in his twenties. His hands were on her legs, trying to part them. His face was illuminated by a glowing white light — emitted by a phone. Ha remembers her mind going blank. She was only able to stutter, “Who are you?” " You fucking degenerate.
    - ourmandave 8y ago
      22,000 people protesting in the streets seem to think otherwise.
    - elsjaako 8y ago
      Without going into the idea that if it's just genitals it's fine (which I also disagree with), it's not just genitals: > It’s not just footages of sexual intercourse. There are spycam footages of women relieving themselves in toilets; photos of women in bikinis, at home, walking on the street. > I’ve seen cases where women quit their jobs, consider getting plastic surgery, change their names and even commit suicide
    - christophilus 8y ago
      > Ha went to a motel alone after an evening of drinking with friends. In the middle of her sleep, she felt something on her legs. She woke up, opened her eyes, and in the dark, saw a man who looked to be in his twenties. His hands were on her legs, trying to part them. That sounds grave to me.
    - true_religion 8y ago
      Are people not allowed to protest things which are not grave?
ky738 8y ago
Are there any devices that can detect the presence of another electrical device? So that it could scan places. This is scary, imagine renting a place only to know the owner has put cams all over. Stuff of nightmares.
- SiempreViernes 8y ago
  A more plausible solution is putting all that NSA deep packet inspection infrastructure to use tracing uploads of the banned videos, and even that isn't very plausible. As long as there is a fairly safe market for the videos, people will keep being violated on a large scale.
- JackCh 8y ago
  In theory yes¹, but in practice I would expect it to be a tricky time-consuming process. How would you differentiate between a legitimate electronic device on the other of the wall, and an illegitimate electronic device embedded inside the wall? The difference between those may only be a few inches. I don't think this is one of those problems looking for a technical solution. What's needed is a legal/social solution: an aggressive campaign for publicly identifying and shaming perpetrators, with very harsh punishments handed out. ¹ From what I know traditional "bug detectors" work by trying to induce the bug to broadcast and then detecting that broadcast signal. But "metal detector" style bug detectors that instead simply look for circuits seem like they should be possible.
nodja 8y ago
Isn't porn banned in south korea? If you ban legal ways of getting porn that you identify with culturally, people will make it illegally, not surprised this happens without consent. It's like marijuana in the U.S. all over again, if you ban it, people with less morals will make it available in a worse way. Just allow porn and regulate it, like every other country does.
- SiempreViernes 8y ago
  How is breaking into someone's motel room to film them in secrecy in any way a rational response give that there is plenty of other countries nearby that make porn? Are you really saying that making non-consensual porn just such a deep biological need that nothing can be done? I mean, there is certainly no great lack of porn available online, so simply reuploading some chinese or japanese flicks seems a far more sane response than hiding cameras in public restrooms.
  - jjaredsimpson 8y ago
    Please don't write comments like this. This comment seems to hit all the bad rhetoric hot points. You've misrepresented parent's point, attacked a straw man, and also somehow made a slightly racist argument that Koreans are interchangeable with Chinese and Japanese. The point is that banning pornography might be creating a niche market that bad actors are happy to exploit. I have no idea if it's true. But the argument isn't saying the behavior is rational and there was no claim made about the deep biological needs for porn. Please engage with good faith and measured tone.
    - malmsteen 8y ago
      I think the comment was Absolutely on point
    - taysic 8y ago
      I thought the comment made great points.
xarball 8y ago
I find fourth-wave feminist articles like this to be a complete sham, because they completely stop short of asking a far more constructive question: 'Why is this happening?' Is there something unique about South Korea that motivates the use of spycams and sexually explicit non-consensual recordings? Imo that would be a far more useful place to start. Lax laws/enforcement do not motivate people to do things. That is, unless we start from the assumption that all men are basically barbaric (Which I have to reject on face value alone), then there's no way to blame this on the legal system or the police. Not far off from South Korea is a phenomenon in Japan called "grass-eating men": Men who give up on pursuing women and careers, and instead live online in subpar apartments and out of internet cafes to live out their lives. Perhaps there's something in common between what motivates that, and what we're seeing here? How happy are men (as a class) in South Korea? How beneficial are their 'good' alternatives here?
- holyjaw 8y ago
  > I find fourth-wave feminist articles like this to be a complete sham, because they completely stop short of asking a far more constructive question: > 'Why is this happening?' > How happy are men (as a class) in South Korea? How beneficial are their 'good' alternatives here? Who the fuck cares if these men are happy?! This isn't a peer reviewed journal, this is an article highlighting the fact that thousands of South Korean women are so sick and tired of being mistreated by the police and by their fellow human beings that they had to stage a protest just get some attention on the situation. If you want some deep philosophical understanding of the scenario, then you do it. "Sham"? Get off your pedestal.

44 points by dsr12 8y ago

If we are talking about videos and pictures of genitalia, where the person involved is not identified (i.e. face not visible)...

JackCh 8y ago
What exactly are you trying to say?
- cpmouter 8y ago
  I don't believe this is grave.
  - JackCh 8y ago
    > "One night in Seoul last year, Ha went to a motel alone after an evening of drinking with friends. In the middle of her sleep, she felt something on her legs. She woke up, opened her eyes, and in the dark, saw a man who looked to be in his twenties. His hands were on her legs, trying to part them. His face was illuminated by a glowing white light — emitted by a phone. Ha remembers her mind going blank. She was only able to stutter, “Who are you?” " You fucking degenerate.
  - ourmandave 8y ago
    22,000 people protesting in the streets seem to think otherwise.
  - elsjaako 8y ago
    Without going into the idea that if it's just genitals it's fine (which I also disagree with), it's not just genitals: > It’s not just footages of sexual intercourse. There are spycam footages of women relieving themselves in toilets; photos of women in bikinis, at home, walking on the street. > I’ve seen cases where women quit their jobs, consider getting plastic surgery, change their names and even commit suicide
  - christophilus 8y ago
    > Ha went to a motel alone after an evening of drinking with friends. In the middle of her sleep, she felt something on her legs. She woke up, opened her eyes, and in the dark, saw a man who looked to be in his twenties. His hands were on her legs, trying to part them. That sounds grave to me.
  - true_religion 8y ago
    Are people not allowed to protest things which are not grave?

ky738 8y ago

Are there any devices that can detect the presence of another electrical device? So that it could scan places. This is scary, imagine renting a place only to know the owner has put cams all over. Stuff of nightmares.

SiempreViernes 8y ago
A more plausible solution is putting all that NSA deep packet inspection infrastructure to use tracing uploads of the banned videos, and even that isn't very plausible. As long as there is a fairly safe market for the videos, people will keep being violated on a large scale.
JackCh 8y ago
In theory yes¹, but in practice I would expect it to be a tricky time-consuming process. How would you differentiate between a legitimate electronic device on the other of the wall, and an illegitimate electronic device embedded inside the wall? The difference between those may only be a few inches. I don't think this is one of those problems looking for a technical solution. What's needed is a legal/social solution: an aggressive campaign for publicly identifying and shaming perpetrators, with very harsh punishments handed out. ¹ From what I know traditional "bug detectors" work by trying to induce the bug to broadcast and then detecting that broadcast signal. But "metal detector" style bug detectors that instead simply look for circuits seem like they should be possible.

nodja 8y ago

Isn't porn banned in south korea? If you ban legal ways of getting porn that you identify with culturally, people will make it illegally, not surprised this happens without consent. It's like marijuana in the U.S. all over again, if you ban it, people with less morals will make it available in a worse way. Just allow porn and regulate it, like every other country does.

SiempreViernes 8y ago
How is breaking into someone's motel room to film them in secrecy in any way a rational response give that there is plenty of other countries nearby that make porn? Are you really saying that making non-consensual porn just such a deep biological need that nothing can be done? I mean, there is certainly no great lack of porn available online, so simply reuploading some chinese or japanese flicks seems a far more sane response than hiding cameras in public restrooms.
- jjaredsimpson 8y ago
  Please don't write comments like this. This comment seems to hit all the bad rhetoric hot points. You've misrepresented parent's point, attacked a straw man, and also somehow made a slightly racist argument that Koreans are interchangeable with Chinese and Japanese. The point is that banning pornography might be creating a niche market that bad actors are happy to exploit. I have no idea if it's true. But the argument isn't saying the behavior is rational and there was no claim made about the deep biological needs for porn. Please engage with good faith and measured tone.
  - malmsteen 8y ago
    I think the comment was Absolutely on point
  - taysic 8y ago
    I thought the comment made great points.

xarball 8y ago

I find fourth-wave feminist articles like this to be a complete sham, because they completely stop short of asking a far more constructive question: 'Why is this happening?' Is there something unique about South Korea that motivates the use of spycams and sexually explicit non-consensual recordings? Imo that would be a far more useful place to start. Lax laws/enforcement do not motivate people to do things. That is, unless we start from the assumption that all men are basically barbaric (Which I have to reject on face value alone), then there's no way to blame this on the legal system or the police. Not far off from South Korea is a phenomenon in Japan called "grass-eating men": Men who give up on pursuing women and careers, and instead live online in subpar apartments and out of internet cafes to live out their lives. Perhaps there's something in common between what motivates that, and what we're seeing here? How happy are men (as a class) in South Korea? How beneficial are their 'good' alternatives here?

holyjaw 8y ago
> I find fourth-wave feminist articles like this to be a complete sham, because they completely stop short of asking a far more constructive question: > 'Why is this happening?' > How happy are men (as a class) in South Korea? How beneficial are their 'good' alternatives here? Who the fuck cares if these men are happy?! This isn't a peer reviewed journal, this is an article highlighting the fact that thousands of South Korean women are so sick and tired of being mistreated by the police and by their fellow human beings that they had to stage a protest just get some attention on the situation. If you want some deep philosophical understanding of the scenario, then you do it. "Sham"? Get off your pedestal.