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A lot of people here are saying that although their poor working conditions are unfortunate, those jobs are better than whatever alternative they would've other

A lot of people here are saying that although their poor working conditions are unfortunate, those jobs are better than whatever alternative they would've otherwise had. However if those same workers were U.S. citizens in the United States, then for whatever reason a lot of you would then take it more seriously. Morality should not be restricted by geographic borders.

akhatri_aus 8y ago
> Morality should not be restricted by geographic borders. Conquest & colonialism want us all to see things with the same glasses.
malmsteen 8y ago
It's just not a company's job to care about morality, only to optimise to maximise gain. It's the law's job. Saying this is not taking sides or being "cynical" or "capitalistic". The point is if you want change you have to FIGHT to change laws and make them be enforced (through lawsuits / unions). It's always a power struggle and you'll stay on the weak side if you keep screaming "morality" at corporate entities and rely on their good will to enforce workers right... Saying otherwise is deluding other people and/or yourself of reality, but i guess it feels good to feel on "the right side" without actually doing anything. source: many family members in unions who fought for their rights in france
- loco5niner 8y ago
  >It's just not a company's job to care about morality, only to optimise to maximise gain. It's the law's job. It's everyone's job.
  - malmsteen 8y ago
    > It's everyone's job. it's every PERSON's job yeah. not companies.
tim333 8y ago
However morality suggests you should blame the party that caused the damage. Are working conditions poor in China due to the Chinese government which starved 15 million people to death as recently at 1960 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine), or due to Amazon paying people to make Kindles?
RestlessMind 8y ago
> ... for whatever reason... Not for whatever reason - in fact, US citizens would have a different stance about US workers conditions because they have both the responsibility and the authority (due to their sovereignty) to dictate the working conditions of their fellow countrymen. Since Chinese people won't grant us the same authority, we shouldn't have the same responsibility and hence our position will be necessarily different. (Same goes for any other pair of countries; eg Germany and Vietnam or France and Bangladesh)

akhatri_aus 8y ago

> Morality should not be restricted by geographic borders. Conquest & colonialism want us all to see things with the same glasses.

malmsteen 8y ago

It's just not a company's job to care about morality, only to optimise to maximise gain. It's the law's job. Saying this is not taking sides or being "cynical" or "capitalistic". The point is if you want change you have to FIGHT to change laws and make them be enforced (through lawsuits / unions). It's always a power struggle and you'll stay on the weak side if you keep screaming "morality" at corporate entities and rely on their good will to enforce workers right... Saying otherwise is deluding other people and/or yourself of reality, but i guess it feels good to feel on "the right side" without actually doing anything. source: many family members in unions who fought for their rights in france

loco5niner 8y ago
>It's just not a company's job to care about morality, only to optimise to maximise gain. It's the law's job. It's everyone's job.
- malmsteen 8y ago
  > It's everyone's job. it's every PERSON's job yeah. not companies.

tim333 8y ago

However morality suggests you should blame the party that caused the damage. Are working conditions poor in China due to the Chinese government which starved 15 million people to death as recently at 1960 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chinese_Famine), or due to Amazon paying people to make Kindles?

RestlessMind 8y ago

> ... for whatever reason... Not for whatever reason - in fact, US citizens would have a different stance about US workers conditions because they have both the responsibility and the authority (due to their sovereignty) to dictate the working conditions of their fellow countrymen. Since Chinese people won't grant us the same authority, we shouldn't have the same responsibility and hence our position will be necessarily different. (Same goes for any other pair of countries; eg Germany and Vietnam or France and Bangladesh)