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Which is silly as most people don't have houses that need 200M runs much less the 50M that is possible with 10GbaseT over cat5e. Why spend money on SFP's and o

Which is silly as most people don't have houses that need 200M runs much less the 50M that is possible with 10GbaseT over cat5e. Why spend money on SFP's and optical cables, when you can just pick up cheap 10GbaseT hardware?

tssva 8y ago
The 10GBASE-T doesn't support Cat5e cabling. It supports a distance of up to 55m on Cat6 and 100m on CAT6a. 10GBASE-T is showing up in more and more small business targeted equipment but I think more likely 2.5GBASE-T and 5GBASE-T will make it to consumer home equipment instead of 10GBASE-T. 2.5GBASE-T supports a distance of up to 100m on CAT5e. 5GBASE-T supports up to 100m on CAT6 and may operate on some Cat5e infrastructure. Additionally they both support PoE which 10GBASE-T does not.
- virtuallynathan 8y ago
  10GBase-T certainly can work on cat5e, I run it over 10-20m at home.
  - mseebach 8y ago
    Works != supports
    - namibj 8y ago
      Can you explain why you need that much official blessing from the manufacturer to use it? If it doesn't work, you send it back?
      - mseebach 8y ago
        Well, if you bought something that says on the box that it doesn't do X, you generally don't get to send it back because it doesn't do X. Some consumer outlets may let you do this as a courtesy, but it's not ubiquitous and certainly not if you're buying from trade suppliers. Also, for a 10-20m run, the price difference is literally in the single figures. The effort alone to send something back is (should be) worth more to you than that.
        virtuallynathan 8y ago
        I live in an apartment that came pre-wired. I’ve done this in 3 apartment buildings, up to 30m or so. I tested one with a Fluke 10GBase-T tester and it passed.
        def_true_false 8y ago
        > Some consumer outlets may let you do this as a courtesy, but it's not ubiquitous That depends on the country. E.g. in the EU you can return goods bought online within 14 days (for any reason).
        mseebach 8y ago
        Unused, in original complete packaging. And you have to pay for shipping.
        namibj 8y ago
        No, but with no more wear than through the use that what would be accepted when examining in a retail store. And shipping inside e.g. Germany is like 5 EUR (about 5$ if you compare pre-tax USD prices with post-tax EUR prices).
  - tssva 8y ago
    Yes, it can work but it isn't a configuration supported by the standard. The original question was about when home 10GBASE-T network equipment is going to be generally available for the home market. Manufacturers are not going to market consumer equipment they know will likely not work on a large percentage of home networks. They will instead more likely market 2.5GBASE-T and 5GBASE-T which based upon the standards should work in most people's home networks. You can certainly buy 10GBASE-T equipment meant for small business and give it a go on your network. If you are lucky you may have success.
- StillBored 8y ago
  The 10GbaseT switch I have (netgear) actually says it supports cat5e for 10G speeds up to 45M or some such (to lazy to dig up a manual for it). I was on the fence and prepared to upgrade some of my cabling when I purchased it, but decided to give the cat5 a try, and haven't regretted it. Given it has link quality, and mangled packet counters and if there were actually any issues with the runs in my house I would be able to see it in the link stats.. The cable modem OTOH... (a few bad packets a day). Edit: Also for most purposes 'modern' 5e (which tends to be more an ad-hoc standard due to people exceeding the base requirements) is basically as good as cat 6, its only with 6A do you get the longer runs with are a result of stricter termination rules, larger gauge cable, better cross pair (foil) shielding, and a bunch of other rules. As far as 2.5/5G, I was really annoyed that it wasn't just an optional part of the 10G standard. The idea being that vendors sell 10G switches and if the cables arn't up to the task to degrade to something slower. Initially the big vendor pushing seemed to be trying to market segment 2.5/5 and 10G, but more recently it seems sanity has prevailed and more recent switches are doing exactly that. You get 10G if the switching thinks the cable run is good, otherwise it drops to 1/2.5/5.

tssva 8y ago

The 10GBASE-T doesn't support Cat5e cabling. It supports a distance of up to 55m on Cat6 and 100m on CAT6a. 10GBASE-T is showing up in more and more small business targeted equipment but I think more likely 2.5GBASE-T and 5GBASE-T will make it to consumer home equipment instead of 10GBASE-T. 2.5GBASE-T supports a distance of up to 100m on CAT5e. 5GBASE-T supports up to 100m on CAT6 and may operate on some Cat5e infrastructure. Additionally they both support PoE which 10GBASE-T does not.

virtuallynathan 8y ago
10GBase-T certainly can work on cat5e, I run it over 10-20m at home.
- mseebach 8y ago
  Works != supports
  - namibj 8y ago
    Can you explain why you need that much official blessing from the manufacturer to use it? If it doesn't work, you send it back?
    - mseebach 8y ago
      Well, if you bought something that says on the box that it doesn't do X, you generally don't get to send it back because it doesn't do X. Some consumer outlets may let you do this as a courtesy, but it's not ubiquitous and certainly not if you're buying from trade suppliers. Also, for a 10-20m run, the price difference is literally in the single figures. The effort alone to send something back is (should be) worth more to you than that.
      - virtuallynathan 8y ago
        I live in an apartment that came pre-wired. I’ve done this in 3 apartment buildings, up to 30m or so. I tested one with a Fluke 10GBase-T tester and it passed.
      - def_true_false 8y ago
        > Some consumer outlets may let you do this as a courtesy, but it's not ubiquitous That depends on the country. E.g. in the EU you can return goods bought online within 14 days (for any reason).
        mseebach 8y ago
        Unused, in original complete packaging. And you have to pay for shipping.
        namibj 8y ago
        No, but with no more wear than through the use that what would be accepted when examining in a retail store. And shipping inside e.g. Germany is like 5 EUR (about 5$ if you compare pre-tax USD prices with post-tax EUR prices).
- tssva 8y ago
  Yes, it can work but it isn't a configuration supported by the standard. The original question was about when home 10GBASE-T network equipment is going to be generally available for the home market. Manufacturers are not going to market consumer equipment they know will likely not work on a large percentage of home networks. They will instead more likely market 2.5GBASE-T and 5GBASE-T which based upon the standards should work in most people's home networks. You can certainly buy 10GBASE-T equipment meant for small business and give it a go on your network. If you are lucky you may have success.
StillBored 8y ago
The 10GbaseT switch I have (netgear) actually says it supports cat5e for 10G speeds up to 45M or some such (to lazy to dig up a manual for it). I was on the fence and prepared to upgrade some of my cabling when I purchased it, but decided to give the cat5 a try, and haven't regretted it. Given it has link quality, and mangled packet counters and if there were actually any issues with the runs in my house I would be able to see it in the link stats.. The cable modem OTOH... (a few bad packets a day). Edit: Also for most purposes 'modern' 5e (which tends to be more an ad-hoc standard due to people exceeding the base requirements) is basically as good as cat 6, its only with 6A do you get the longer runs with are a result of stricter termination rules, larger gauge cable, better cross pair (foil) shielding, and a bunch of other rules. As far as 2.5/5G, I was really annoyed that it wasn't just an optional part of the 10G standard. The idea being that vendors sell 10G switches and if the cables arn't up to the task to degrade to something slower. Initially the big vendor pushing seemed to be trying to market segment 2.5/5 and 10G, but more recently it seems sanity has prevailed and more recent switches are doing exactly that. You get 10G if the switching thinks the cable run is good, otherwise it drops to 1/2.5/5.