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The interesting tidbits are here https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2015-12/msg00182.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/201

The interesting tidbits are here https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2015-12/msg00182.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2015-12/m... Savannah is some kind of hosting platform for GNU projects.

Promarged 8y ago
Yep, your link is more relevant. There is also this: https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.html https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.html
mattl 8y ago
Savannah runs a fork of the original era SourceForge when it was released as free software. Wrote about this 10 years ago. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/savannah https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/savannah Have a new version coming soon.
- rurban 8y ago
  Care to elaborate what will come soon? A gitlab instance would be my preferred tool. Or gitea, both MIT. The Savannah UI is really annoying.
  - mattl 8y ago
    Well there’s already https://git.gnu.io https://git.gnu.io if you have a GNU project
    - rurban 8y ago
      Is this an official GNU gitlab instance? Because there's also gitlab.com/GNU/ but this has nothing to to do with GNU, they just captured the group name.
      - mattl 8y ago
        It’s pretty official yes. I believe GitLab.com/gnu is me.
felipelemos 8y ago
This answer from Luboš Doležel it's right in the point IMHO: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2015-12/msg00187.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2015-12/m... "Your vision of freedom is rather absolutistic, since forcing freedom upon others goes against the very nature of freedom."
- briandear 8y ago
  That is the money quote to be sure. The idea that his version of “freedom” should be considered the only version of freedom is, perhaps paradoxically, totalitarian. I honestly don’t care about thinking about license philosophy every waking minute. When I use a Coke machines, I don’t care if that system is proprietary: I just want my Coke. The Stalman approach would be to never use a Coke machine — nor permit others to do so either because he hates proprietary licenses. That’s great except that imposes a restriction on my freedom to drink a Coke. Would he eat at a restaurant that doesn’t provide detailed recipes of everything he orders? If he had his way, there would be no restaurants unless they all provided recipes, which means that “secret sauce” becomes not so secret and thus commoditizes the hard work of those who developed it.
  - bonesss 8y ago
    > If he had his way, there would be no restaurants unless they all provided recipes I'd suggest you read more of his work -- The Right To Read springs to mind -- as that's a misrepresentation of his ideology. His fight is for the right to open the hood of your car and decide yourself if you've got the right carburettor and maybe swap out a lug nut or two using standard dimensions, conventions, and tools. To match your example: he wouldn't eat at a restaurant that somehow made it impossible to open up your burger and see if the onions are caramelised, and required you only use McRestaurant brand utensils to eat the food. Do you own the food? Is it yours? Are you free to take parts out and add parts if you want? Or do you not have "the right" to decide that the pickles look sketchy? Recipes, in your analogy, would represent academic knowledge. I'm pretty sure he's for sharing that, too, but the GPL has no requirements that people understand how you're creating the tasty algorithms you're serving on those floppy disks... That doesn't get commoditised, as such, but instead gains new value propositions as the demand for it raises through developing an economic ecosystem surrounding it. That is to say: RedHat is more valuable because I can "commoditise" their drivers and then pay them money to scratch my itch, not less. Most businesses are in the "make money" business elsewhere, not in the Linux business. Sharing is profit.

Promarged 8y ago

Yep, your link is more relevant. There is also this: https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.html https://www.gnu.org/software/repo-criteria-evaluation.html

mattl 8y ago

Savannah runs a fork of the original era SourceForge when it was released as free software. Wrote about this 10 years ago. https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/savannah https://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/savannah Have a new version coming soon.

rurban 8y ago
Care to elaborate what will come soon? A gitlab instance would be my preferred tool. Or gitea, both MIT. The Savannah UI is really annoying.
- mattl 8y ago
  Well there’s already https://git.gnu.io https://git.gnu.io if you have a GNU project
  - rurban 8y ago
    Is this an official GNU gitlab instance? Because there's also gitlab.com/GNU/ but this has nothing to to do with GNU, they just captured the group name.
    - mattl 8y ago
      It’s pretty official yes. I believe GitLab.com/gnu is me.

felipelemos 8y ago

This answer from Luboš Doležel it's right in the point IMHO: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2015-12/msg00187.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/discuss-gnustep/2015-12/m... "Your vision of freedom is rather absolutistic, since forcing freedom upon others goes against the very nature of freedom."

briandear 8y ago
That is the money quote to be sure. The idea that his version of “freedom” should be considered the only version of freedom is, perhaps paradoxically, totalitarian. I honestly don’t care about thinking about license philosophy every waking minute. When I use a Coke machines, I don’t care if that system is proprietary: I just want my Coke. The Stalman approach would be to never use a Coke machine — nor permit others to do so either because he hates proprietary licenses. That’s great except that imposes a restriction on my freedom to drink a Coke. Would he eat at a restaurant that doesn’t provide detailed recipes of everything he orders? If he had his way, there would be no restaurants unless they all provided recipes, which means that “secret sauce” becomes not so secret and thus commoditizes the hard work of those who developed it.
- bonesss 8y ago
  > If he had his way, there would be no restaurants unless they all provided recipes I'd suggest you read more of his work -- The Right To Read springs to mind -- as that's a misrepresentation of his ideology. His fight is for the right to open the hood of your car and decide yourself if you've got the right carburettor and maybe swap out a lug nut or two using standard dimensions, conventions, and tools. To match your example: he wouldn't eat at a restaurant that somehow made it impossible to open up your burger and see if the onions are caramelised, and required you only use McRestaurant brand utensils to eat the food. Do you own the food? Is it yours? Are you free to take parts out and add parts if you want? Or do you not have "the right" to decide that the pickles look sketchy? Recipes, in your analogy, would represent academic knowledge. I'm pretty sure he's for sharing that, too, but the GPL has no requirements that people understand how you're creating the tasty algorithms you're serving on those floppy disks... That doesn't get commoditised, as such, but instead gains new value propositions as the demand for it raises through developing an economic ecosystem surrounding it. That is to say: RedHat is more valuable because I can "commoditise" their drivers and then pay them money to scratch my itch, not less. Most businesses are in the "make money" business elsewhere, not in the Linux business. Sharing is profit.